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Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

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I believe in Tadej!

Why risk your health for eternal glory when you can do it with a motor?
This. As I've been trying to argue since this year's TDF: always look for the most technically feasible explanation, and look for the totality of evidence which in our case constitutes a season long string of "extraterrestrial" performances on all terrains with literally no sweat and a goofy smile on the face.
 
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He has done it again.

seeing this guy hug Pogacar after he wins and try to be part of the glory is the most sickening thing about all of this.
 
Do any Pog fans actually think he's clean? I'm referring to the main forums here and the rest of the internet. Because I don't mind if someone just enjoys the show and has a laugh about the absurdity of the performances. fair enough, c'est un 'entertainment', after all. But if there's actually people out there who think this guy is riding around cleanz because he cares for his health or something and only other riders dope... oh boy.
My mom is largely in the bucket of people that thinks he’s doping but largely has fun watching him, and I would consider her a pretty “normal” casual fan. But she has also started to go down a similar trajectory of getting sick of it ever since the Tour this year. So hopefully that’s a good sign.
 
Do any Pog fans actually think he's clean? I'm referring to the main forums here and the rest of the internet. Because I don't mind if someone just enjoys the show and has a laugh about the absurdity of the performances. fair enough, c'est un 'entertainment', after all. But if there's actually people out there who think this guy is riding around cleanz because he cares for his health or something and only other riders dope... oh boy.
Plenty especially in the media.
 
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Do any Pog fans actually think he's clean? I'm referring to the main forums here and the rest of the internet. Because I don't mind if someone just enjoys the show and has a laugh about the absurdity of the performances. fair enough, c'est un 'entertainment', after all. But if there's actually people out there who think this guy is riding around cleanz because he cares for his health or something and only other riders dope... oh boy.
Well, not me. And I think we can discount anyone in the media, they are never going to openly accuse him of doping, or worse motor doping.
 
Yes, it's also true for almost any cyclist at his peak vs his 19 yo version though.
Exactly. The line is blurred at that young age. Froome was 26 when he "appeared". Vingo 24. Pog only 19-20 years old. You can't predict Tour de France winners at below 18. You can predict they will be good, but not how good. There is no science that can predict that with accuracy.
 
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It’s not a primary argument for me but you can’t deny the transformation was rapid from 2018 to all the sudden winning 3 GT stages and being a top name in the peloton the year he moved to UAE. And if he’s that good at 20 then why not 19?
So how did Gianetti know he was a super responder back then? Luck? Even so this takes more than super responding.

There must be an Armstrong factor (look the other way), else, I fear motors. He looks so fresh. Even if motors there must be some kind of corruption involved as I assume his bike would need to be checked. I refuse to believe you can hide a motor from a trained mechanic who knows what to look for - even magnetic assistance. And the relaxed confidence from Pog suggests he isn't worried about being caught.
 
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So how did Gianetti know he was a super responder back then? Luck? Even so this takes more than super responding.

There must be an Armstrong factor (look the other way), else, I fear motors. He looks so fresh. Even if motors there must be some kind of corruption involved as I assume his bike would need to be checked. I refuse to believe you can hide a motor from a trained mechanic who knows what to look for - even magnetic assistance. And the relaxed confidence from Pog suggests he isn't worried about being caught.

Motors is really something that would make me stop watching the sport. This is not even cycling anymore, the idea of moving using the power of your own engine... As for UAE, they surely made a series of tests on Teddy before he joined. They measured his current VO2max, anaerobic threshold, assessed how much weight he can lose with a better training and what are his blood values etc.
 
If we compare Pogacar 2023 to Pogacar 2024, he is 100% out of nowhere.
I disagree. He crushed everyone last season aswell all up untill he broke his wrist, everyone from flandern to PN very handy aswell I must say including MvdP and Vingegaard very handy. Hardly a good nor fair point to judge from when he had and rode with a broken wrist if were beeing objective i mean. And not news for people.

And he won the Tour at age 20, if Pogacar came out of nowhere who won the tour at 20 I dont know what to say. Sure if we go back to when he was 15/16 he came out of nowhere but again hardly a very fair measurement stick. Lets stick to beeing relevant at least😅.
 
If we compare pre UAE Pogacar to now, he is 100% out of nowhere.
This 100%! This season has been so disgusting. Tortured myself and watched the clown show today. Well at least saw again how easy the riding looks when you're over doped and every race also makes me more sure about the motor assistance. A very hard race and fresh as a daisy, at the end of a long season full of ET performances. Leaving a generational talent like Remco over three minutes behind 🤣what an absolute joke this has become.
 
I found Pog way more 'endearing' (if one can use such a word to describe these guys) last year tbh. Aka when he actually had to 'fight'.

What's happened in 2024 is something I've never seen before, ever. All prior notions about peaking etc. have gone completely out the window. And when people mention Pog being a great natural talent, maybe so, I won't dispute that, but what's also true is UAE have absolutely smashed everyone this season. Sivakov was sh*tting all over the guys spat out behind Pog's attack today in Lombardia after he'd pulled to set up Pog's attack himself. I mean... come on guys, this has sophisticated and organized team doping written all over it.

BTW there's no 'lsser of two evils' or anything here, i.e. what Pog has done this season is basically take Vingegaard's impossible, laughable & grotesque Combloux performance... and do that practically all year. With some performances standing out versus others on the WTF am I watching scale.
 
So how did Gianetti know he was a super responder back then? Luck? Even so this takes more than super responding.

There must be an Armstrong factor (look the other way), else, I fear motors. He looks so fresh. Even if motors there must be some kind of corruption involved as I assume his bike would need to be checked. I refuse to believe you can hide a motor from a trained mechanic who knows what to look for - even magnetic assistance. And the relaxed confidence from Pog suggests he isn't worried about being caught.
Sorry, could not resist: No s**t, Sherlock.;)
 
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