Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Tim Cahill]

Yikes! "Loads of people"?

Since I stopped competitive racing, my direct exposure to dopers has dropped considerably. Are you noticing an impact on these folks you know (positive or negative)?

IPEDs have become completely normalised in Britain in the last 10 or so years, such that I can confidently say a majority of men you see in any given gym will be taking at least something, whether they admit to it or not. You no longer need to approach shady characters on street corners, everything can be purchased online and nobody bats an eyelid (unless you import). Counterintuitively, because 'fake natty' has fallen out of fashion, and people are much more forthright about their cycles, the physical health risks seem to be lessened, because the openness comes with increased awareness around biomarkers and associated dangers. Not many are just mainlining trenbolone until they drop anymore and everyone I know who does serious stuff has bloodwork done. So in that sense the negative impact lessened, most of the side effects just the usual stuff, bit of insomnia, loss of libido, anxiety, acne, headaches etc.

I don't do them myself but long term they will have to watch out for liver, heart injuries and bone-wastage mainly, though I haven't seen any of that myself, maybe if there are any doctors here they can elaborate a bit. The main concern is the body dysmorphia a lot of these guys seem to have, the bigger the people around them get, and the more they perceive social media to be reality the worse it seems to get thus the greater risks they take with PED's. The one in vogue at the moment is people suddenly thinking they need 'TRT' because they heard some 50 year olds talking about it on Joe Rogan. A lad I work with had his test measured through the NHS, came back completely normal and has just convinced himself it's low anyway and started doing it under the counter, I said kid you're 22 and I can guarantee that 'Joe Rogan' and his mates are doing more than TRT.

Like you said though, you only really realise the extent of the problem when you're inside the bubble. Very similar problem with cocaine usage on football matches at the moment (cost of living crisis, cheaper than beer), but I digress.

 

[Ripper]

IPEDs have become completely normalised in Britain in the last 10 or so years, such that I can confidently say a majority of men you see in any given gym will be taking at least something, whether they admit to it or not. You no longer need to approach shady characters on street corners, everything can be purchased online and nobody bats an eyelid (unless you import). Counterintuitively, because 'fake natty' has fallen out of fashion, and people are much more forthright about their cycles, the physical health risks seem to be lessened, because the openness comes with increased awareness around biomarkers and associated dangers. Not many are just mainlining trenbolone until they drop anymore and everyone I know who does serious stuff has bloodwork done. So in that sense the negative impact lessened, most of the side effects just the usual stuff, bit of insomnia, loss of libido, anxiety, acne, headaches etc.

I don't do them myself but long term they will have to watch out for liver, heart injuries and bone-wastage mainly, though I haven't seen any of that myself, maybe if there are any doctors here they can elaborate a bit. The main concern is the body dysmorphia a lot of these guys seem to have, the bigger the people around them get, and the more they perceive social media to be reality the worse it seems to get thus the greater risks they take with PED's. The one in vogue at the moment is people suddenly thinking they need 'TRT' because they heard some 50 year olds talking about it on Joe Rogan. A lad I work with had his test measured through the NHS, came back completely normal and has just convinced himself it's low anyway and started doing it under the counter, I said kid you're 22 and I can guarantee that 'Joe Rogan' and his mates are doing more than TRT.

Like you said though, you only really realise the extent of the problem when you're inside the bubble. Very similar problem with cocaine usage on football matches at the moment (cost of living crisis, cheaper than beer), but I digress.

Cocaine is cheaper than beer!? I live in bizarro times!

 

[noob]

IPEDs have become completely normalised in Britain in the last 10 or so years, such that I can confidently say a majority of men you see in any given gym will be taking at least something, whether they admit to it or not. You no longer need to approach shady characters on street corners, everything can be purchased online and nobody bats an eyelid (unless you import). Counterintuitively, because 'fake natty' has fallen out of fashion, and people are much more forthright about their cycles, the physical health risks seem to be lessened, because the openness comes with increased awareness around biomarkers and associated dangers. Not many are just mainlining trenbolone until they drop anymore and everyone I know who does serious stuff has bloodwork done. So in that sense the negative impact lessened, most of the side effects just the usual stuff, bit of insomnia, loss of libido, anxiety, acne, headaches etc.

I don't do them myself but long term they will have to watch out for liver, heart injuries and bone-wastage mainly, though I haven't seen any of that myself, maybe if there are any doctors here they can elaborate a bit. The main concern is the body dysmorphia a lot of these guys seem to have, the bigger the people around them get, and the more they perceive social media to be reality the worse it seems to get thus the greater risks they take with PED's. The one in vogue at the moment is people suddenly thinking they need 'TRT' because they heard some 50 year olds talking about it on Joe Rogan. A lad I work with had his test measured through the NHS, came back completely normal and has just convinced himself it's low anyway and started doing it under the counter, I said kid you're 22 and I can guarantee that 'Joe Rogan' and his mates are doing more than TRT.

Like you said though, you only really realise the extent of the problem when you're inside the bubble. Very similar problem with cocaine usage on football matches at the moment (cost of living crisis, cheaper than beer), but I digress.

This is shocking. And yet it isn't. So scary.

 

[zlev11]

IPEDs have become completely normalised in Britain in the last 10 or so years, such that I can confidently say a majority of men you see in any given gym will be taking at least something, whether they admit to it or not. You no longer need to approach shady characters on street corners, everything can be purchased online and nobody bats an eyelid (unless you import). Counterintuitively, because 'fake natty' has fallen out of fashion, and people are much more forthright about their cycles, the physical health risks seem to be lessened, because the openness comes with increased awareness around biomarkers and associated dangers. Not many are just mainlining trenbolone until they drop anymore and everyone I know who does serious stuff has bloodwork done. So in that sense the negative impact lessened, most of the side effects just the usual stuff, bit of insomnia, loss of libido, anxiety, acne, headaches etc.

I don't do them myself but long term they will have to watch out for liver, heart injuries and bone-wastage mainly, though I haven't seen any of that myself, maybe if there are any doctors here they can elaborate a bit. The main concern is the body dysmorphia a lot of these guys seem to have, the bigger the people around them get, and the more they perceive social media to be reality the worse it seems to get thus the greater risks they take with PED's. The one in vogue at the moment is people suddenly thinking they need 'TRT' because they heard some 50 year olds talking about it on Joe Rogan. A lad I work with had his test measured through the NHS, came back completely normal and has just convinced himself it's low anyway and started doing it under the counter, I said kid you're 22 and I can guarantee that 'Joe Rogan' and his mates are doing more than TRT.

Like you said though, you only really realise the extent of the problem when you're inside the bubble. Very similar problem with cocaine usage on football matches at the moment (cost of living crisis, cheaper than beer), but I digress.

damn, these guys are getting body dysmorphia from Joe Rogan? that dude looks like a shriveled up hot dog.