Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[lenric]

when the dude goes to the bathroom to send the number 2 beware of the fallout...

 

[DrSahl]

I remember when everybody got attacked for pointing out Armstrong was obviously doped.
It took years before people started to get just abit suspisious.. (Same with Riis for that matter)

Pogacar is obviously doped (so is Vinge btw) but with Pogacar I get the same vibe as with Froome..... Cycling is more a circus than anything.. it will never change, as that is what sells and it is too hard to make a stance against doping (also mechanical) so they will just turn a blind eye, unless they really dislike the rider (like with Rasmussen)

If the rider is liked, they will get protected.

Cycling have become rather boring and predictable. But one might argue it always was.

 

[AttaqueDeRolland]

Where am I wrong ?

1) His trainer making fat loss programs ? FACT.

2) Slovenian trainers having little experience at the WT level ? FACT.

3) Remco being trained by Belgium finest trainers since day 1 ? FACT.

All of the above being completely and utterly irrelevant to the notion that Pogi is the, by miles and miles, most laughably obvious cheater since Riccardo Riccò? FACT.

 

[bNator]

It’s almost as if it meant a better outcome to be lead out two thirds of a climb as compared to going solo from the start.

 

[Lorzenz08]

All of the above being completely and utterly irrelevant to the notion that Pogi is the, by miles and miles, most laughably obvious cheater since Riccardo Riccò? FACT.

Not irrelevant at all. His results are in line with being the greatest cyclist in history.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Pretty sure Pogacar today isn't even better than Simon Yates on Finestre.

This is the fastest regression I've seen since Nadal's 3rd hair transplant.

Around 1790 m/h of VAM for 35 minutes on a 7.8 % climb. Likely around 6.5 w/kg, maybe 6.6 w/kg (due to pacing alone).
5.5% lower climbing speed than PdB (but he was paced great there). Wattage around 4-5% lower.

To sum up: Pogi in decline and retirement incoming. Good news for his competition!

 

[Abedfo]

I just can't be arsed anymore. Can't enjoy the coverage of any media outlet because they all fawn, no raised eyebrows. From now on I just like riding my own bike and tinkering in the garage.

 

[kingjr]

Maybe better this way, given that you're a literal Tyrant

 

[Notarobot]

That attack, Im still laughing. Seated, cadance was nowhere near you would expect with that speed. He just went off so fast, it looked ridiculous.

 

[Gianetti_Is_The_Goat]

Where am I wrong ?

1) His trainer making fat loss programs ? FACT.

2) His Slovenian trainers having little experience at the WT level ? FACT.

3) Remco being trained by Belgium finest trainers since day 1 on a bike ? FACT.

Pogacar frequently lost against other Slovenian riders until he joined UAE. Generational talent

 

[Gianetti_Is_The_Goat]

I remember when everybody got attacked for pointing out Armstrong was obviously doped.
It took years before people started to get just abit suspisious.. (Same with Riis for that matter)

Pogacar is obviously doped (so is Vinge btw) but with Pogacar I get the same vibe as with Froome..... Cycling is more a circus than anything.. it will never change, as that is what sells and it is too hard to make a stance against doping (also mechanical) so they will just turn a blind eye, unless they really dislike the rider (like with Rasmussen)

If the rider is liked, they will get protected.

Cycling have become rather boring and predictable. But one might argue it always was.

To be honest: Vingegaard 2022 & 2023 was extremely suspicious. This Vingegaard... not so much. Until now.

 

[Raest]

Maybe better this way, given that you're a literal Tyrant

First person ever that got it! Well done Sir!

 

[AttaqueDeRolland]

Not irrelevant at all. His results are in line with being the greatest cyclist in history.

Cheating is in line with being the greatest cyclist in history.

 

[kingjr]

First person ever that got it! Well done Sir!

Just started reading the series a few weeks ago, halfway through book 3 right now =D

 

[Blobs]

Riis' record was made on a unipuerto stage by the way, so today was probably a stronger performance overall, although I'm still surprised he didn't beat it. Apparently some way off his level from the final week of last year, so at that level he easily would have. Maybe they've saved the best for last again?

 

[Raest]

Just started reading the series a few weeks ago, halfway through book 3 right now =D

In my top 3 of fantasy series and I've read most of them. Enjoy!

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I think the weather (very hot airmass in the mountains, around 35 degrees at the base) weakened cyclists substantially. Around 1540 m/h of VAM on Soulur already made the peleton small. Huge gaps behind Pogacar also suggest that guys were suffering today. I think the conditions and gaps indicates Pogacar's performance was actually crazier than pure numbers suggest.

 

[SorelyBoy]

The comparison to make isn't with previous years performances. The comparison to make is always the rest of a world class peloton that you are riding against today, say even just the top ten GC. Some of whom may or may not be doping or using other dubious if not yet banned methods to eke out a *tiny* advantage. The fact is that by any measure this performance makes it clear that Pogacar is a complete outlier in a sport whereby we used to talk about marginal gains as if it were some sort of evil witchcraft. Where winning a tour by 3 minutes caused eyebrows to be raised. Oh how young and naive we were. If everyone else is on Earth, Pogacar is to be located somewhere around Alpha Centauri. Indeed, if today is any guide and he were to continue to perform at this level for the rest of the tour, he would probably win it by around 15 - 20 minutes. It's that big a gap. But he won't do that of course because Mauro will tell him to try to not look so conspicuous as to risk provoking the ire of the French media, with spectators throwing urine bags at him. Saying that, we're getting to that stage. I expect the UAE PR department will be going into overdrive and love bombing the media with some very nice gifts and hospitiality.

 

[Red Rick]

First person ever that got it! Well done Sir!

Is that from Malazan?

I DNF'd on stage 2 on that one.

 

[Shakes]

I just can't be arsed anymore. Can't enjoy the coverage of any media outlet because they all fawn, no raised eyebrows. From now on I just like riding my own bike and tinkering in the garage.

Seconded.

 

[solo80k]

Riis' record was made on a unipuerto stage by the way, so today was probably a stronger performance overall, although I'm still surprised he didn't beat it. Apparently some way off his level from the final week of last year, so at that level he easily would have. Maybe they've saved the best for last again?

Many riders were in trouble "early" on stage today, the most interesting ones - Jorgensen, Remco. I think today heat + Carbon Monoxide ban is taking it's toll.

We need to remember Pogacar is having a possibility for Vuelta and Worlds participation. He needs to leave something in his tank.

 

[DrSahl]

Riis' record was made on a unipuerto stage by the way, so today was probably a stronger performance overall, although I'm still surprised he didn't beat it. Apparently some way off his level from the final week of last year, so at that level he easily would have. Maybe they've saved the best for last again?

Indeed.
But look at the numbers.

Pogacar is pulling much better numbers than any of the "legandary" infamous doped riders we know and "love"
I consider cycling to be akin to American Wrestling.. Its somewhat staged and the vast majority knows the outcome before it even happens.. Vinge is the Heel, he had his glory "as the evil winner" but now the Face have taken over again...

I think I need to take a long bike tour to cool down.. Hopefully it will be better tomorrow when Pogacar smash everybody in the TT.

 

[ivanic]

What if Pogacar hadn’t wanted to break the record? He only wanted to humiliate Vingegaard, who beat him three years ago on the Hautacam, just like Armstrong used to do.


Even though this guy puts in a 'lesser' performance compared to PdB, he’s still way above people like Rasmussen, Riccò, and even Contador Super Saiyan.


This Tour is even more boring than those of Team Sky, now he just has to manage and forget about any other alien performances.

 

[zlev11]

only 28 seconds slower than the most doped cyclist of all time on a much harder stage. cycling is in a really bad spot right now.

 

[jono]

The comparison to make isn't with previous years performances. The comparison to make is always the rest of a world class peloton that you are riding against today, say even just the top ten GC. Some of whom may or may not be doping or using other dubious if not yet banned methods to eke out a *tiny* advantage. The fact is that by any measure this performance makes it clear that Pogacar is a complete outlier in a sport whereby we used to talk about marginal gains as if it were some sort of evil witchcraft. Where winning a tour by 3 minutes caused eyebrows to be raised. Oh how young and naive we were. If everyone else is on Earth, Pogacar is to be located somewhere around Alpha Centauri. Indeed, if today is any guide and he were to continue to perform at this level for the rest of the tour, he would probably win it by around 15 - 20 minutes. It's that big a gap. But he won't do that of course because Mauro will tell him to try to not look so conspicuous as to risk provoking the ire of the French media, with spectators throwing urine bags at him. Saying that, we're getting to that stage. I expect the UAE PR department will be going into overdrive and love bombing the media with some very nice gifts and hospitiality.

If you put Vingegaard at 35-40 seconds instead of 2 minutes, would the time gaps on today's stage look all that crazy to you?