Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Notarobot]

Yeah I talked about CRISPR long time ago over here.

 

[E_F_]

So does doping protect you from falling ill? And if so: do we believe vdP is cleanz?

It makes absolutely perfect sense that the best responder on the best program wouldn't get fatigued while another very doped rider does.

 

[ashhutch1997]

I personally think it's most likely just a new form of EPO that's being used. Let's not forget, it was Gianetti who was first to use CERA.

 

[repoman]

So does doping protect you from falling ill? And if so: do we believe vdP is cleanz?

I think it's possible something like HGH would make you less susceptible to illness during a couple weeks of destroying your body.
Also, for the sake of argument say MvdP is clean and he is racing against a doped rider and matching him, that would mean his baseline physiology is doing a lot more work than the doper, he is working harder, causing more stress on his body overall.
FWIW I think MvdP has one of the strongest cases for being clean at his level. Comes from cycling royalty so his genes are going to be as good as you can get, and he was absolutely dominant at pretty much every stage of his career.

 

[AttaqueDeRolland]

There's just something visually upsetting about watching Vingegaard stand up on the pedals and make a ridiculously forceful acceleration, which Pogi just easily follows while completely seated. The amount of torque needed to generate that sort of power seated is something you'd expect from ridiculous watt monsters like Cancellara, but here we have a light climber doing it ...

 

[FrontHeadlock]

LMAO at Pogacar sprinting to get a 2 second time gap on JV. Holy ***, he's more insecure than most fashion models.

 

[ontheroad]

Pogacar and Vingegaard gained 7 minutes on Mas from the bottom of the climb. Surely must be close to the record. Insane seeing the speed which they travelled up that mountain. Not normal.

 

[burning]

Looks like they beat Mayo by a 1 minute or so, they were very very fast

 

[Ilmaestro99]

All that talk about a headwind before the stage and they've gone a minute faster than the 'unbeatable' Mayo record hahahahah

 

[FrontHeadlock]

Anyone want to hazard the percentage chance that Pogacar will win all 3 jerseys (I don't count the young rider jersey) and 6+ stages when this is all said and done? Feels like it's at least 30%+ at this point.

To update, Pog is now in the lead for KOM and is only 11 points behind Milan for the Green jersey. I guarantee you he is pissed he didn't win this stage. Do *not* be surprised when he goes for the win on the Champs if he's close to winning the Green Jersey.

 

[jono]

All that talk about a headwind before the stage and they've gone a minute faster than the 'unbeatable' Mayo record hahahahah

Shouldn't this be in the Vingegaard thread? He pulled the whole time in the headwind.

 

[E_F_]

Shouldn't this be in the Vingegaard thread? He pulled the whole time in the headwind.

Obviously not..? It was his time. And he followed easily.

 

[jono]

Obviously not..? It was his time. And he followed easily.

Who did more w/kg?

 

[Red Rick]

Pogacar and Vingegaard gained 7 minutes on Mas from the bottom of the climb. Surely must be close to the record. Insane seeing the speed which they travelled up that mountain. Not normal.

Mas blew up hard though. They only gained around 4 minutes on the chase group, which isn't outrageous for a Ventoux climb at all.

 

[E_F_]

Who did more w/kg?

Obviously Vingegaard did. Are you accusing me of being unbelievably ignorant?

 

[ontheroad]

Mas blew up hard though. They only gained around 4 minutes on the chase group, which isn't outrageous for a Ventoux climb at all.

Maybe so but the real gauge will be the climbing times. Initial timings have it as one minute inside Mayos record. Which is crazy fast and even visually you could tell that they were flying up it.

 

[FrontHeadlock]

Btw, one thing that makes me quite suspicious about Pog getting an "edge" is how insecure he is when he rides with JV and how personal he is making it. Sprinting to the line on a MTF with no chance to win, just to take 2 seconds when he's up 4+ minutes is pretty indicative of that. Pog seems incredibly bitter about 2023 in particular and has a *massive* chip on his shoulder. It almost seems as though he wants to beat JV to the line in every single stage and in every category until the end of time. Even in bunch pelotons on flat stages it seems like he wants to cross ahead of JV.

That type of insecurity and obsession really signals someone who would do anything to get an edge.

 

[Red Rick]

Maybe so but the real gauge will be the climbing times. Initial timings have it as one minute inside Mayos record. Which is crazy fast and even visually you could tell that they were flying up it.

I don't think it's that crazy fast, because by 2025 standards I don't think it was a fast record at all.

 

[Gianetti_Is_The_Goat]

Tadej Pogacar - Mont Ventoux
54'41"
NEW RECORD

Because that's what you do after winning 4 stages, in a stage with an avg speed of 50 km/h the first 3 hours when you have a bit of a cold, fighting headwind on top of the Ventoux.

 

[ontheroad]

I don't think it's that crazy fast, because by 2025 standards I don't think it was a fast record at all.

And therein lies the problem.

 

[ashhutch1997]

Tadej Pogacar - Mont Ventoux
54'41"
NEW RECORD

What's mad is Pogacar wasn't even going full gas.

 

[FrontHeadlock]

What's mad is Pogacar wasn't even going full gas.

It feels like, once he knew he couldn't win the stage, that he dialed it back a bit. If the gap had been 1-2 minutes smaller, no doubt he would have won the stage and put another minute into JV.

I'm sure he's annoyed that his team couldn't pace him better to reel in the breakaway.

 

[ivanic]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1947681851683864938

View: https://x.com/festinaboy/status/1947681851683864938


Pogacar wasn't even going full gas.
1 minute faster? Oh my god.

PEDs unknown 2020 -> 2025

Epo 1990 more or less + 5 years -> 1995

Did any fans know what EPO was in 1995? No.

 

[Gianetti_Is_The_Goat]

Might regret this in 10 years but I think all comments about motors are just ridiculing this whole forum. Makes this the place for tin foil hats. Easy to brush of all 'clinic' as a result as the place of conspiracy moon landing rejecting fools.

History, other sports and common sense all dictate peds are most common explanation. See the flare up regarding 'clean sky' era and how that lead to 'clean generation' now.

Suggesting another explanation than the most obvious one isn't ridiculous, especially as it has been used in the past (likely on the highest level) and we're probably not aware of the latest technical advancements.

 

[Raest]

I don't think it's that crazy fast, because by 2025 standards I don't think it was a fast record at all.

Wattage produced is more interesting and it will likely confirm this as neither Pog or Vingo were going full gas for most of the climb.