Does Blanco-Belkin have a sprinter in their squad? Or will it be just about getting Bauke Mollema safe in the goal area, and as far in the front as possible?
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There is someone on betfair who actually wants to place a bet on Contador for the green jersey.
Takes all sorts...
Takes all sorts...
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I hope and belives Sagan will crush Cavendish in the competition for the green jersey. Sagan is a great rider and is much more versatile than Cav. This year Boasson Hagen could be a contender if Sky gives him some freedom, but honestly I dont think he cares much for this jersey.
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I believe it will be Cavendish who does the crushing of Sagan, OPQS are a well drilled team and it will be like the highroad days.
Kristoff to nick a sprint of Cav though, with Degenkolb to nick one from Sagan in an uphill finish
Kristoff to nick a sprint of Cav though, with Degenkolb to nick one from Sagan in an uphill finish
Who will win the battle of the lead out trains? Will one team yield to another?
I think if Lotto yield to quickstep it's all over, however I don't think it's so true if it goes the other way.
I think if Lotto yield to quickstep it's all over, however I don't think it's so true if it goes the other way.
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karlboss said:
I agree. It seems Greipel is much better when he has his drilled train instead of scrapping for the right wheels. Unlike Cav who has shown many times that even if his train is at the front, if he believes there is a better wheel to follow he would drop back. Cav is much more versatile in the sprint.
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MellowJohnny said:
Well I have no doubt Cavendish will win more stages than Sagan, but that does not mean he will win the green jersey. Sagan will compensate for less stage wins by taking points at the harder stages where Cavendish will come out with zero points. So yes Cav and his leadout will normally crush Sagan on the flat stages, but on the harder stages Cave will loose a lot of points to Sagan. A good leadout does not help if you dont got the power to stay in front up the mountains.
Kristoff is strong but he does not have any helpers around him, so I think it will be hard for him to beat Cav even though I hope I am wrong. Katusja is built around Rodriguez and will not give much help to Kristoff in the sprints. He pretty much need to do it all by himself to get results.
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Karl Max said:
Not necessarily disagreeing, but when we have 3-4 teams with full trains in sprint finales, the concept of cannibalizing could work as well. Katusha could allocate one guy for the placement and let Kristoff do what McEwen used to do.
Won't be easy however.
Points for green jersey
Looking at official reglements http://www.letour.fr/le-tour/2013/docs/TDF13_reglement_BD.pdf , page 35 and 37, I find stage 7 and 16 wrong classified. Stage 7 should have coefficient 2, not 1 (30 points, not 45) and stage 16 should have coefficient 3, not 4 (30 points, not 20). What do you say, am I right?
Looking at official reglements http://www.letour.fr/le-tour/2013/docs/TDF13_reglement_BD.pdf , page 35 and 37, I find stage 7 and 16 wrong classified. Stage 7 should have coefficient 2, not 1 (30 points, not 45) and stage 16 should have coefficient 3, not 4 (30 points, not 20). What do you say, am I right?
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I don't really expect anyone to be drilling stage 7, so I'd be surprised if Kittel doesn't make it, unless that is a pre-agreed Degenkolb stage, so hard to feel too strongly that it is a medium mountain stage and not a sprint.
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Picking a team for the TdF CQ game, I noticed that in CQ terms at least Cav has the clearly strongest team behind him. We could see something like HTC 2009 IMHO. He seems to be fit as well, riding an attacking race in the nats. However there is tough competiton also between Greipel, Sagan and Kittel.
Cav v Sagan
As a Brit I'll be backing Cav for the Green Jersey.
This thread makes for interesting reading - taking an agnostic view, it 'feels' like Sagan is better thought of than Cav and generally more popular, anyone care to explain why that might be?
Taking a more objective approach than simply 'because I'm a Brit' I think Cav is the one to beat - He's proven he can win stages year after year and his consistency in the Giro was impressive. I accept he'll lose points in the mountains / any stage with a minor incline to it.
I haven't researched it much, but with Cav out of the picture at Sky last year how hard did Sagan get pushed for the Green Jersey? Has he been really tested / had to battle? I was impressed that Cav stuck the course at the Giro, let alone won so many sprint stages.
As a Brit I'll be backing Cav for the Green Jersey.
This thread makes for interesting reading - taking an agnostic view, it 'feels' like Sagan is better thought of than Cav and generally more popular, anyone care to explain why that might be?
Taking a more objective approach than simply 'because I'm a Brit' I think Cav is the one to beat - He's proven he can win stages year after year and his consistency in the Giro was impressive. I accept he'll lose points in the mountains / any stage with a minor incline to it.
I haven't researched it much, but with Cav out of the picture at Sky last year how hard did Sagan get pushed for the Green Jersey? Has he been really tested / had to battle? I was impressed that Cav stuck the course at the Giro, let alone won so many sprint stages.
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You're very put upon, but you bear it with such grace.
Meanwhile, the competitions starts tomorrow -
Meanwhile, the competitions starts tomorrow -
bedders50 said:
Sagan basically cruised to the jersey. Greipel, Cavendish, and even Goss scored decent, but the margin of victory was substantial. Sagan also held the jersey the entire Tour except after the prologue (when Cancellara held the green points lead, although Wiggins actually wore the jersey).
I do think this year will be different for two major reasons:
(1) Cavendish will be better. His 2012 Tour was his worst in a while. Whether that was due to the Sky team, the Olympics, or just poor form you be the judge. But he seems dedicated to the green jersey this year (not sure it was a goal in 2012), he has the team, and he has the form. He'll likely even fight for the intermidiate sprint points.
(2) The Route isn't as strong as last year for Sagan. Sagan had two uphill finishes (Stages 1 and 3) that were taylor made for him. There are no such finishes for him this year. Pretty much all the sprints are flat, which helps guys like Cavendish. The hope is that Sagan drops the sprinters and gets points on non last stages (Like 2 and 3) to make up for this.
How it turns out will likely depend on some luck. I know Cavendish and Sagan each crashed out of 1 sprint last year (maybe 2 for Cav I cannot fully remember). Something like that could turn this competition. But I'd favor Cavendish personally as the route suits him and Sagan will have to keep pretty high finishes in the flat sprints to win it (which is uncertain if Greipel, Kittel, Kristoff, Bouhanni, etc... are doing well). We'll see how it turns out.
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Jericho said:
It was due to Sky being completely focused on the overall, meaning he didn't get many chances. He had to beg the team for them to work for him and give him the chance before his second stage win of the race.
With him having a team built entirely around him and his goal of green this year, he should do much better.
kingjr said:
It's cute how you didn't read or interpret my post properly and instead decided to be a complete k*ob.
My question had no bearing on Cav's skill level, numbnuts. It's about a perceived preference toward Sagan and why that might be. Thanks for your pointless input though, really helpful.
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bedders50 said:
The coincidence of the same "country of origin" is one of the weakest reasons for "backing" a particular rider that I can think of.
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Since the green jersey at the Tour de France gives out different points based on the type of stage, namely, flat, medium mountains and high mountains (and time trials), can anyone provide a link to somewhere on the official site or elsewhere where it states which stage falls into which category. Obviously it is possible to guess but some stages are on the cusp. Taa.
winkybiker said:
But is still by farrrrrrrrr ( and that's a massive far) the main reason peoople cheer for sportsmen in sports
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Gloin22 said:But is still by farrrrrrrrr ( and that's a massive far) the main reason peoople cheer for sportsmen in sports
No point engaging with these pocket philosophers who think their particular brand of atomised nihilist wisdom is worth sharing with the world.
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OK, got it after some digging around en francais.Waterloo Sunrise said:
Flat - stages 1, 5, 6, 7, 10, 12, 13 & 21
Medium mountains - 2, 3 & 14
High mountains - 8, 9, 15, 16, 18, 19 & 20
Individual time trials - 11 & 17
Team time trial (no points) - 4
There you go, hope this is of help to somebody else.
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