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They are journalists, they're supposed to be objective not fanboys.pastronef said:bobbins said:Bronstein said:bobbins said:It's team sky's annual love in with their tame journalists so expect more articles on which team car they are using, 'exclusive' photos of standard bikes and sound bites from Sir Dave on why the team is so awesome and is winning clean.
The people on these camps are cycling fans, not journalists.
https://twitter.com/TeamSky/status/686837919563132928
Crash helmets on whilst watching the briefing. Just about sums those bell ends up.
the problem is yours, not theirs.
enjoy your afternoon
I have favorite team(s). Don't see why we should let that cloud our judgment wrt doping and/or lousy journalism though.pastronef said:yes Sniper, showing my colours, everyone has his favourite dirty team. Sky is mine.
LaFlorecita said:They are journalists, they're supposed to be objective not fanboys.pastronef said:bobbins said:Bronstein said:bobbins said:It's team sky's annual love in with their tame journalists so expect more articles on which team car they are using, 'exclusive' photos of standard bikes and sound bites from Sir Dave on why the team is so awesome and is winning clean.
The people on these camps are cycling fans, not journalists.
https://twitter.com/TeamSky/status/686837919563132928
Crash helmets on whilst watching the briefing. Just about sums those bell ends up.
the problem is yours, not theirs.
enjoy your afternoon
The sniping is about journo's acting like fanboys. It's not necessary to report on Sky's change of car sponsor for 3 days straight and it's also not necessary to have seperate "exclusive" photo galleries for each rider's bike. If it happens once, no problem, but when a pattern can be found it becomes an issue for some people. Only Sky gets such ridiculous attention from the media and now it's clear whywrinklyvet said:is it really true that journalists have to be always objective? And if it is, does accepting hospitality prevent this? And further, if so, is Team Sky innovative and groundbreaking in offering it? Because if not, what's this sniping all about?
I think most people would agree tackling an issue at the root is a far better solution.pastronef said:there's always the option of not cliking on cyclingnews.com's links to Sky related articles
LaFlorecita said:The sniping is about journo's acting like fanboys. It's not necessary to report on Sky's change of car sponsor for 3 days straight and it's also not necessary to have seperate "exclusive" photo galleries for each rider's bike. If it happens once, no problem, but when a pattern can be found it becomes an issue for some people. Only Sky gets such ridiculous attention from the media and now it's clear whywrinklyvet said:is it really true that journalists have to be always objective? And if it is, does accepting hospitality prevent this? And further, if so, is Team Sky innovative and groundbreaking in offering it? Because if not, what's this sniping all about?Every time a team Sky member farts a journalist is ready to write a puff piece about it.
Eurosport have several teams that give them access, and they report on those teams equally. Journalists can report on all teams and all riders, but they choose to report way more on Sky and their riders than on other teams and riders.wrinklyvet said:LaFlorecita said:The sniping is about journo's acting like fanboys. It's not necessary to report on Sky's change of car sponsor for 3 days straight and it's also not necessary to have seperate "exclusive" photo galleries for each rider's bike. If it happens once, no problem, but when a pattern can be found it becomes an issue for some people. Only Sky gets such ridiculous attention from the media and now it's clear whywrinklyvet said:is it really true that journalists have to be always objective? And if it is, does accepting hospitality prevent this? And further, if so, is Team Sky innovative and groundbreaking in offering it? Because if not, what's this sniping all about?Every time a team Sky member farts a journalist is ready to write a puff piece about it.
How does it differ from this sort of stuff? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1akBasTxOfI
LaFlorecita said:Eurosport have several teams that give them access, and they report on those teams equally. Journalists can report on all teams and all riders, but they choose to report way more on Sky and their riders than on other teams and riders.wrinklyvet said:LaFlorecita said:The sniping is about journo's acting like fanboys. It's not necessary to report on Sky's change of car sponsor for 3 days straight and it's also not necessary to have seperate "exclusive" photo galleries for each rider's bike. If it happens once, no problem, but when a pattern can be found it becomes an issue for some people. Only Sky gets such ridiculous attention from the media and now it's clear whywrinklyvet said:is it really true that journalists have to be always objective? And if it is, does accepting hospitality prevent this? And further, if so, is Team Sky innovative and groundbreaking in offering it? Because if not, what's this sniping all about?Every time a team Sky member farts a journalist is ready to write a puff piece about it.
How does it differ from this sort of stuff? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1akBasTxOfI
Not sure about that, but other teams also make their bikes available to media for them to take pictures and write articles. You can find them on here, too. But you'll not often see multiple reports on one team, let alone 2 in 2 days, with the bikes virtually the same.wrinklyvet said:Don't other teams allow journos to ride their bikes then?
LaFlorecita said:Not sure about that, but other teams also make their bikes available to media for them to take pictures and write articles. You can find them on here, too. But you'll not often see multiple reports on one team, let alone 2 in 2 days, with the bikes virtually the same.wrinklyvet said:Don't other teams allow journos to ride their bikes then?
I think you're misunderstanding the issue. The issue is not that Sky is more inviting, it's that journalists are eating out of their hands which is clear from the amount of (superfluous) coverage the team gets. I'd prefer to read 3 articles about 3 different teams than 3 articles about 1 team. If you know what I mean.
The point is those 'journos' are.wrinklyvet said:LaFlorecita said:Not sure about that, but other teams also make their bikes available to media for them to take pictures and write articles. You can find them on here, too. But you'll not often see multiple reports on one team, let alone 2 in 2 days, with the bikes virtually the same.wrinklyvet said:Don't other teams allow journos to ride their bikes then?
I think you're misunderstanding the issue. The issue is not that Sky is more inviting, it's that journalists are eating out of their hands which is clear from the amount of (superfluous) coverage the team gets. I'd prefer to read 3 articles about 3 different teams than 3 articles about 1 team. If you know what I mean.
Yes, it's a matter of personal preference, viewpoint or perspective. I quite see that. But if you thought another team was getting more press in the quiet time you might not mind. I don't see that Team Sky are doing anything wrong here, and I shall go and do something more useful instead. All the best.![]()
I don't often click on those articles. But that's not the point.pastronef said:there's always the option of not cliking on cyclingnews.com's links to Sky related articles
That's really the whole story there. I don't see any purpose in following the link. The whole world knows that Sky has been using Jaguar. I didn't have to follow any links to have that fact hammered into my head. Now they're going to use Ford. Wow. Fascinating.Team Sky to use Ford team vehicles in 2016
If only. I can ignore the articles, but not the links, the banner pics, and the visual pollution.wrinklyvet said:You have the optional luxury of ignoring it all.
Campervan man said:Can anyone recall the Tour last year and comments, reports that were made by journalists regarding angry, jealous French fans toward Sky?
Team Sky principal Brailsford told the daily sports newspaper L’Equipe on Sunday that a Frenchman winning the race “needs to happen” and that he “would like to win with a French rider”.
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Brailsford did say that the team is “British and performance based” meaning he wont just sign a Frenchman to try and fulfill an impossible dream if he can win with a Brit.
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good post.Jacques de Molay said:...
It's quite simple, really. There's a bias. And it's obvious.
And it's boring.
in addition, there was quite a bit of British press about French fans hating on Froome, with the obvious implication this hate was borne out of jealousy.mrhender said:Campervan man said:Can anyone recall the Tour last year and comments, reports that were made by journalists regarding angry, jealous French fans toward Sky?
Team Sky principal Brailsford told the daily sports newspaper L’Equipe on Sunday that a Frenchman winning the race “needs to happen” and that he “would like to win with a French rider”.
.........
Brailsford did say that the team is “British and performance based” meaning he wont just sign a Frenchman to try and fulfill an impossible dream if he can win with a Brit.
......
http://cyclingquotes.com/news/brailsford_plays_down_french_tour_winner_dream/?urlPath=news/brailsford_plays_down_french_tour_winner_dream/?acceptCookie=1#WKLLVImcgSo7qGZW.97
when he started running the win with a frenchman, he got me.
I thought he was serious and that they were going to ditch Froomey.
Something may have happened to spoil the plan, or it was just PR to keep the french happy.
Or perhaps both.
pastronef said:bobbins said:Bronstein said:bobbins said:It's team sky's annual love in with their tame journalists so expect more articles on which team car they are using, 'exclusive' photos of standard bikes and sound bites from Sir Dave on why the team is so awesome and is winning clean.
The people on these camps are cycling fans, not journalists.
https://twitter.com/TeamSky/status/686837919563132928
Crash helmets on whilst watching the briefing. Just about sums those bell ends up.
the problem is yours, not theirs.
enjoy your afternoon
sniper said:in addition, there was quite a bit of British press about French fans hating on Froome, with the obvious implication this hate was borne out of jealousy.mrhender said:Campervan man said:Can anyone recall the Tour last year and comments, reports that were made by journalists regarding angry, jealous French fans toward Sky?
Team Sky principal Brailsford told the daily sports newspaper L’Equipe on Sunday that a Frenchman winning the race “needs to happen” and that he “would like to win with a French rider”.
.........
Brailsford did say that the team is “British and performance based” meaning he wont just sign a Frenchman to try and fulfill an impossible dream if he can win with a Brit.
......
http://cyclingquotes.com/news/brailsford_plays_down_french_tour_winner_dream/?urlPath=news/brailsford_plays_down_french_tour_winner_dream/?acceptCookie=1#WKLLVImcgSo7qGZW.97
when he started running the win with a frenchman, he got me.
I thought he was serious and that they were going to ditch Froomey.
Something may have happened to spoil the plan, or it was just PR to keep the french happy.
Or perhaps both.
deja vu.
bobbins said:pastronef said:bobbins said:Bronstein said:bobbins said:It's team sky's annual love in with their tame journalists so expect more articles on which team car they are using, 'exclusive' photos of standard bikes and sound bites from Sir Dave on why the team is so awesome and is winning clean.
The people on these camps are cycling fans, not journalists.
https://twitter.com/TeamSky/status/686837919563132928
Crash helmets on whilst watching the briefing. Just about sums those bell ends up.
the problem is yours, not theirs.
enjoy your afternoon
I don't wear a helmet indoors whilst dreaming of riding in a ford estate car tossing dave bs salad but thanks for your concern ;-)
still missing the wider point.wrinklyvet said:I wore my helmet indoors while ordering a drink in the cafe. Was that a faux pas? It's so easy to make a mistake!![]()
Please don't do that. You make all cyclists appear more idiotic to the general public.wrinklyvet said:I wore my helmet indoors while ordering a drink in the cafe.