Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[harryh]

Re: Re:

I think they are "strongly advised" not to.

Messes-up their relationship with training Peaks

There are some gems there though
http://home.trainingpeaks.com/athlete/workout/Z3JDD63H2UVGP77YSXNITPULAE

His FTP is set to around 430W here, at 66kg that's 6.5W/kg
Was froome using ossymetric in 2011?

411W/5.84W/kg = 70.4kg.

 

[Catwhoorg]

I believe he was NOT using ssymetric in 2011, don't have a video handy to check though.

He was still carrying some baby fat from Poland a few weeks before though.

 

[red_flanders]

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The idea that one can make any kind of determination about a person's weight from 2 or more photos is misguided.

On one hand, I agree wholeheartedly. But I don't need any references to be convinced. I have photos of myself where clearly I look leaner or more muscular than I know myself to be. It happens. For sure.

However, what to make of this? This can NOT just be the result of lighting and/or lens choice. Can it?

They are lit very differently, but they are all studio shots taken from a similar angle, years apart. They certainly may be misleading as to the amount of weight at any one point but with 3 photos taken from the same angle and that dramatic of a loss, you can possibly assume a trend. Maybe. There are deep shadows on his neck and cheekbones in one of the shots, there is a different background and opposite jersey color in another, and side-lighting in another. Makes it really hard to say anything definitive, never mind all the possible lens differences, lens correction and post processing that have likely been done differently.

It stands to reason that in the current climate a rider is getting thinner over time. These photos seem to confirm that intuition. But the lighting is doing a LOT to create that look.

What you can't do, is assign any particular weight to it as many have done for other photos. My point was about comparing photos of Froome, taken from different angles, at different times of the day, by different photographers with different equipment, 6 weeks apart and make anything of them. Let alone specific weight loss or gain. That is absurd.

 

[Electress]

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Implication seems pretty clear to me - this is what you need for your ride - singular. Having done various charity events and triathlons I can certainly concur with those who have seen all bar the proverbial kitchen sink being carried about 'incase of emergencies'

Frankly, I'd rather spend my 14.99 on a jar of nutella and a cup of coffee with my amigos, but we all know what Sky think about such dangerously subversive non-nutritional practices.

So who'll be the first to doctor said image with a list of banned substances ??
I can see it now:
Motoman Team Sky 4 Hour 'Fuel' pack..available off prescription from a dodgy doctor in Monaco ? Now there's the real cutting edge science in sport, I fear.

I await with baited breath the Limited Edition Team Sky / SiS Exclusive Eqyptian Cotton and memory foam pillows.

It's all nonesense. Talent and only doping can make the difference. Why I rode a very demanding Granfondo in the Marche region of Italy in June 2013, having the night before drank white wine and a grappa at dinner (the next morning for breakfast I had a cappuccino and corneto) and finished 13th out of 4,000.

Most of my rides in Italy are fuelled by gelato !

K does seem a little thinner - he's standing closer to the camera in 2015 shot for a start but I agree photos are not exactly a reliable diagnostic tool

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Back to marginal gains

Gazzetta went to see Sky today in Port d’Alcudia
http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/11-01-2016/sky-ritiro-froome-interviste-tour-maiorca-viviani-ford-nibali-140232479013.shtml

Meanwhile, Sky continues the path of maximum attention to detail and the details that is one of their most distinctive features. Confirmation also comes from the guidelines provided to the press for the day: by the way, it is recommended to wash your hands as much as possible using the dispenser of the hotel, especially before meals, because "it is essential that riders and staff to maintain the healthy to express themselves at the highest level. "

 

[ray j willings]

Re: Re:

Implication seems pretty clear to me - this is what you need for your ride - singular. Having done various charity events and triathlons I can certainly concur with those who have seen all bar the proverbial kitchen sink being carried about 'incase of emergencies'

Frankly, I'd rather spend my 14.99 on a jar of nutella and a cup of coffee with my amigos, but we all know what Sky think about such dangerously subversive non-nutritional practices.

So who'll be the first to doctor said image with a list of banned substances ??
I can see it now:
Motoman Team Sky 4 Hour 'Fuel' pack..available off prescription from a dodgy doctor in Monaco ? Now there's the real cutting edge science in sport, I fear.

I await with baited breath the Limited Edition Team Sky / SiS Exclusive Eqyptian Cotton and memory foam pillows.

It's all nonesense. Talent and only doping can make the difference. Why I rode a very demanding Granfondo in the Marche region of Italy in June 2013, having the night before drank white wine and a grappa at dinner (the next morning for breakfast I had a cappuccino and corneto) and finished 13th out of 4,000.

13th out of 4000 I salute you.
I went for xmas ride [10am] fuelled up on this pre workout stuff called rage.
It has 2 portions in one sachet so I just mixed the sachet in one glass and drank the lot. I was high as a fudging kite. It was mental I rode so fast my energy level was bonkers. I came down quite hard around 6 clock .

I tell you I have never had a substance give me so much benefit. Bonkers

 

[Jacques de Molay]

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I went for xmas ride [10am] fuelled up on this pre workout stuff called rage.
It has 2 portions in one sachet so I just mixed the sachet in one glass and drank the lot.

With a supposed caffeine content of 250mg, are you saying that you doubled that?

 

[ray j willings]

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I went for xmas ride [10am] fuelled up on this pre workout stuff called rage.
It has 2 portions in one sachet so I just mixed the sachet in one glass and drank the lot.

With a supposed caffeine content of 250mg, are you saying that you doubled that?

If that's what's in a sachet then yes. I got a free sample. It had been in my kitchen cupboard for months.
I woke up xmas feeling a bit tired . It was raining and windy so I thought I would try it "get me going" Boy did it ever. I rode all my usual London bridges route about 2O Minutes faster. I was on a mission.
I opened the sachet [ 2 portions] and poured it in a glass of water. Boy was it good stuff. Tastes nice ,it was blue
It worked. I'm going to buy a tub tomorrow. 44 servings costs about £20. So its pretty good deal . I'm going to use it before I hit the weights.

 

[blackcat]

Re:

Back to marginal gains

Gazzetta went to see Sky today in Port d’Alcudia
http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/11-01-2016/sky-ritiro-froome-interviste-tour-maiorca-viviani-ford-nibali-140232479013.shtml

Meanwhile, Sky continues the path of maximum attention to detail and the details that is one of their most distinctive features. Confirmation also comes from the guidelines provided to the press for the day: by the way, it is recommended to wash your hands as much as possible using the dispenser of the hotel, especially before meals, because "it is essential that riders and staff to maintain the healthy to express themselves at the highest level. "

wtf is this corporate newspeak?

"it is essential that riders and staff to maintain the healthy to express themselves at the highest level."

"the healthy"

I luv when you make a verb or adjective into a noun. but only if blackcat does it. Not some fool from Sky Procycling newspeak dep't

I don't know about you, but your significant other may say that such expression of excretions improves with citrus mango and pineapple

 

[pastronef]

Re: Re:

"the healthy"

I luv when you make a verb or adjective into a noun. but only if blackcat does it. Not some fool from Sky Procycling newspeak dep't

I don't know about you, but your significant other may say that such expression of excretions improves with citrus mango and pineapple

it's just a translation mistake made by google translate of by tour of sardinia. in Italian it is "salute". no fool from SKY did translate the Gazzetta article

 

[bobbins]

It's team sky's annual love in with their tame journalists so expect more articles on which team car they are using, 'exclusive' photos of standard bikes and sound bites from Sir Dave on why the team is so awesome and is winning clean.

The people on these camps are cycling fans, not journalists.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Not doping related per Se

Froome Dawg just extended through the 2018 season.

 

[wrinklyvet]

Re:

It's team sky's annual love in with their tame journalists so expect more articles on which team car they are using, 'exclusive' photos of standard bikes and sound bites from Sir Dave on why the team is so awesome and is winning clean.

The people on these camps are cycling fans, not journalists.

Keeping going with something to write out of season is a challenge for journalists. Are you surprised that they hunt about for something to report? They have to make a living. You have the optional luxury of ignoring it all.

 

[Bronstein]

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It's team sky's annual love in with their tame journalists so expect more articles on which team car they are using, 'exclusive' photos of standard bikes and sound bites from Sir Dave on why the team is so awesome and is winning clean.

The people on these camps are cycling fans, not journalists.

https://twitter.com/TeamSky/status/686837919563132928

 

[bobbins]

Re: Re:

It's team sky's annual love in with their tame journalists so expect more articles on which team car they are using, 'exclusive' photos of standard bikes and sound bites from Sir Dave on why the team is so awesome and is winning clean.

The people on these camps are cycling fans, not journalists.

https://twitter.com/TeamSky/status/686837919563132928

Crash helmets on whilst watching the briefing. Just about sums those bell ends up.

 

[pastronef]

Re: Re:

It's team sky's annual love in with their tame journalists so expect more articles on which team car they are using, 'exclusive' photos of standard bikes and sound bites from Sir Dave on why the team is so awesome and is winning clean.

The people on these camps are cycling fans, not journalists.

https://twitter.com/TeamSky/status/686837919563132928

Crash helmets on whilst watching the briefing. Just about sums those bell ends up.

the problem is yours, not theirs.
enjoy your afternoon

 

[pastronef]

Re: Sky

yes Sniper, showing my colours, everyone has his favourite dirty team. Sky is mine.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

It's team sky's annual love in with their tame journalists so expect more articles on which team car they are using, 'exclusive' photos of standard bikes and sound bites from Sir Dave on why the team is so awesome and is winning clean.

The people on these camps are cycling fans, not journalists.

https://twitter.com/TeamSky/status/686837919563132928

Crash helmets on whilst watching the briefing. Just about sums those bell ends up.

the problem is yours, not theirs.
enjoy your afternoon

They are journalists, they're supposed to be objective not fanboys.

 

[sniper]

Re: Sky

yes Sniper, showing my colours, everyone has his favourite dirty team. Sky is mine.

I have favorite team(s). Don't see why we should let that cloud our judgment wrt doping and/or lousy journalism though.

(btw, i deleted my post. Thanks for taking it lightly.)

 

[wrinklyvet]

Re: Re:

It's team sky's annual love in with their tame journalists so expect more articles on which team car they are using, 'exclusive' photos of standard bikes and sound bites from Sir Dave on why the team is so awesome and is winning clean.

The people on these camps are cycling fans, not journalists.

https://twitter.com/TeamSky/status/686837919563132928

Crash helmets on whilst watching the briefing. Just about sums those bell ends up.

the problem is yours, not theirs.
enjoy your afternoon

They are journalists, they're supposed to be objective not fanboys.

No hospitality accepted then? No sitting indoors with helmets on? Perhaps it was to protect them from the message.

is it really true that journalists have to be always objective? And if it is, does accepting hospitality prevent this? And further, if so, is Team Sky innovative and groundbreaking in offering it? Because if not, what's this sniping all about?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

is it really true that journalists have to be always objective? And if it is, does accepting hospitality prevent this? And further, if so, is Team Sky innovative and groundbreaking in offering it? Because if not, what's this sniping all about?

The sniping is about journo's acting like fanboys. It's not necessary to report on Sky's change of car sponsor for 3 days straight and it's also not necessary to have seperate "exclusive" photo galleries for each rider's bike. If it happens once, no problem, but when a pattern can be found it becomes an issue for some people. Only Sky gets such ridiculous attention from the media and now it's clear why Every time a team Sky member farts a journalist is ready to write a puff piece about it.

 

[pastronef]

Re: Sky

there's always the option of not cliking on cyclingnews.com's links to Sky related articles

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Sky

there's always the option of not cliking on cyclingnews.com's links to Sky related articles

I think most people would agree tackling an issue at the root is a far better solution.

 

[wrinklyvet]

Re: Re:

is it really true that journalists have to be always objective? And if it is, does accepting hospitality prevent this? And further, if so, is Team Sky innovative and groundbreaking in offering it? Because if not, what's this sniping all about?

The sniping is about journo's acting like fanboys. It's not necessary to report on Sky's change of car sponsor for 3 days straight and it's also not necessary to have seperate "exclusive" photo galleries for each rider's bike. If it happens once, no problem, but when a pattern can be found it becomes an issue for some people. Only Sky gets such ridiculous attention from the media and now it's clear why Every time a team Sky member farts a journalist is ready to write a puff piece about it.

How does it differ from this sort of stuff? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1akBasTxOfI

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

is it really true that journalists have to be always objective? And if it is, does accepting hospitality prevent this? And further, if so, is Team Sky innovative and groundbreaking in offering it? Because if not, what's this sniping all about?

The sniping is about journo's acting like fanboys. It's not necessary to report on Sky's change of car sponsor for 3 days straight and it's also not necessary to have seperate "exclusive" photo galleries for each rider's bike. If it happens once, no problem, but when a pattern can be found it becomes an issue for some people. Only Sky gets such ridiculous attention from the media and now it's clear why Every time a team Sky member farts a journalist is ready to write a puff piece about it.

How does it differ from this sort of stuff? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1akBasTxOfI

Eurosport have several teams that give them access, and they report on those teams equally. Journalists can report on all teams and all riders, but they choose to report way more on Sky and their riders than on other teams and riders.