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JimmyFingers

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Just to be fair... Kilburn is an area in central London, not a small town or village at all. 'Inner City' would be a good description.
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Ssh don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant. The inner-city of London, as we all know, is a veritable hotbed of Grand Tour riding talent, given all it's wide open spaces, rolling hills and mountains and empty roads, perfect for the aspiring stage-racing cyclist
 
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Le Baroudeur said:
Just to be fair... Kilburn is an area in central London, not a small town or village at all. 'Inner City' would be a good description.
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to be fair, Wiggins was born in Belgium ;)

But i do stand corrected on the location of Kilburn.

What i was getting at is that cycling's stars have tended to come from the lower echelons of society so why not Kilburn?
 
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JimmyFingers said:
Ssh don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant. The inner-city of London, as we all know, is a veritable hotbed of Grand Tour riding talent, given all it's wide open spaces, rolling hills and mountains and empty roads, perfect for the aspiring stage-racing cyclist
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Let us hope that Fran Millar is aware of all the good work you are doing for Sky in here while ignoring the rest of the forum and every other facet of cycling.

You must be their number 1 fan.

There is no reason to doubt a GT winner could be born in Belgium.

Robert Millar came from Glasgow to race GTs. Why would it be a surprise someone from London does the same? Myth making whch you have been doing your best to defend.
 
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Benotti69 said:
to be fair, Wiggins was born in Belgium ;)

But i do stand corrected on the location of Kilburn.

What i was getting at is that cycling's stars have tended to come from the lower echelons of society so why not Kilburn?
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I think the inference is if your from Kilburn you are far more likely to follow the chose paths of football or boxing if you are good at sport.
 
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Benotti69 said:
to be fair, Wiggins was born in Belgium ;)

But i do stand corrected on the location of Kilburn.

What i was getting at is that cycling's stars have tended to come from the lower echelons of society so why not Kilburn?
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No you're right. There's some excellent riding about 20 minutes north of Kilburn. England is a small island. You can get out into the rolling hills in a very short space of time. I think what Wiggin's was trying to say that boys from Kilburn don't shave their legs and ride bikes. They play football and drink.
 
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Benotti69 said:
Let us hope that Fran Millar is aware of all the good work you are doing for Sky in here while ignoring the rest of the forum and every other facet of cycling.

You must be their number 1 fan.

There is no reason to doubt a GT winner could be born in Belgium.

Robert Millar came from Glasgow to race GTs. Why would it be a surprise someone from London does the same? Myth making whch you have been doing your best to defend.
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It's unusual, which is what Wiggins was saying. And while he was born in Blegium, he moved back to London pretty soon afterwards.

But again, lets not let facts get in the way of your points. Broad strokes and generalisations are the way forward
 
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He's referring to low aspirations - not that Kilburn locals will become boxers or footballers. It's a relatively run down inner city area (though by no means the worst - and yes, some good riding roads if you can dodge the traffic to get there - in fact BW would ride across London to get to Herne Hill for the track). To an extent he has a point, but then he was always encouraged by his mother to follow cycling (she thought it was in his "genes" given his dad, Gary). The majority of those in these places don't get that kind of encouragement. To that extent, Wiggins was lucky.
 
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Avoriaz said:
He's referring to low aspirations - not that Kilburn locals will become boxers or footballers. It's a relatively run down inner city area (though by no means the worst - and yes, some good riding roads if you can dodge the traffic to get there - in fact BW would ride across London to get to Herne Hill for the track). To an extent he has a point, but then he was always encouraged by his mother to follow cycling (she thought it was in his "genes" given his dad, Gary). The majority of those in these places don't get that kind of encouragement. To that extent, Wiggins was lucky.
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cycling has a history of the proletariat class and miners
 
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Dear Wiggo

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But how is anything in that article pertinent to doping, either by Sky or Wggins? Or this just a general doping/character assassination thread for all involved?

Oh and 'media spiel' = 'the Mirror taking us for a spin', so you've just backed up what I was saying, rather than anything else
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Are you saying Wiggins didn't mention anything about a couch? Man you are all kinds of uppity today.
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
Are you saying Wiggins didn't mention anything about a couch? Man you are all kinds of uppity today.
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Hey its a Monday, I'm always uppity. But what I do dislike here is pictures of Wiggins at an award ceremony, or him having a cigarette on holiday, or discussions of the coat he wears at the TdF presentation, or an interview about how he felt after the 2004 Olympic games. There is always a desire to highlight these things in these threads and analyse and dissect, and usually draw the darkest possible conclusions, and point and laugh and mock.

But I fail to see anything relevant to the subject of doping.

This is what I mean by character assassination: throwing enough mud at someone you dislike to deride and devalue their success. The prejudice shines through: people really don't like Bradley Wiggins much outside of Britain, and especially here given it's tribalism, so you look for ways to blacken his name, and doping simply becomes one of those means.

DW if you were racing your bike professionally, you would expect discussions on the validity of your performances on the bike, would you expect all the people calling you names, laughing, mocking, sneering at paparazzi shots and interviews, the abuse you would get on twitter? You might say it comes with the territory but it doesn't make it right.

I understand there are question marks about Sky's and Wiggins' performance, but lets keep it to those, not their personalities. Plenty of nice guys doped.
 
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DW if you were racing your bike professionally, you would expect discussions on the validity of your performances on the bike, would you expect all the people calling you names, laughing, mocking, sneering at paparazzi shots and interviews, the abuse you would get on twitter? You might say it comes with the territory but it doesn't make it right.
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Mate if I was a pro, le sigh :D

But yes. Brad has been molly coddled since he first got on a bike.
 
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thehog said:
No you're right. There's some excellent riding about 20 minutes north of Kilburn. England is a small island. You can get out into the rolling hills in a very short space of time. I think what Wiggin's was trying to say that boys from Kilburn don't shave their legs and ride bikes. They play football and drink.
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Blimey, where's that then?
 
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JimmyFingers

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Mate if I was a pro, le sigh :D

But yes. Brad has been molly coddled since he first got on a bike.
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I guess what I am trying to say is I wouldn't know how I would react to the pressures being applied to a professional athlete on Wiggins level, and I have no way of know or empathising with the amount of abuse he gets on the internet. I'm guessing this place is the thin end of the wedge.
 
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armchairclimber said:
Blimey, where's that then?
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It could be the Brecon Beacons, the Black Mountains, the Cotswolds, the Pennines, the Lake District, the Peak District, the Quantocks, the Cheviot hills, the Malverns, all within a few days ride of London.
 
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Mrs John Murphy said:
North-West London.

Except that you know - he actually lived in the much more middle class Maida Vale.

Funny how in June the estate was in middle class Maida Vale and now in November its moved to the more working class Kilburn area.

Who knew that a housing estate can move from one district to another in just 5 months.
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City Of Westminster W9 which is a very smart neighbourhood.

He actually grew up in Dibdin House in Maida Vale. A 1 bedroom apartment goes for around 500,000 US.
 
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Mrs John Murphy said:
North-West London.

Except that you know - he actually lived in the much more middle class Maida Vale.

Funny how in June the estate was in middle class Maida Vale and now in November its moved to the more working class Kilburn area.

Who knew that a housing estate can move from one district to another in just 5 months.
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Except, that you know, it's in what most people would have considered Kilburn then, and probably now. Despite what estate agents would have you believe
 
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postmanhat

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thehog said:
City Of Westminster W9 which is a very smart neighbourhood.

He actually grew up in Dibdin House in Maida Vale. A 1 bedroom apartment goes for around 500,000 US.
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Old council house flats are worth a fortune now in West London. Doesn't alter the fact that working class people lived in them originally. My family would be millionaires if they'd hung on to theirs :)
 
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