SO we have :
Oxford uni supplying ketones to Sky
Sheffiled uni processing Henao's blood value research data
Oxford uni supplying ketones to Sky
Sheffiled uni processing Henao's blood value research data
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adamfo said:Dear Wiggo said:SO we have :
Oxford uni supplying ketones to Sky
Sheffiled uni processing Henao's blood value research data
That's Sheffield.
So what's the difference between these ketone drinks and the ones you can buy on Amazon or stores selling dieting products ?
Catwhoorg said:adamfo said:Dear Wiggo said:SO we have :
Oxford uni supplying ketones to Sky
Sheffiled uni processing Henao's blood value research data
That's Sheffield.
So what's the difference between these ketone drinks and the ones you can buy on Amazon or stores selling dieting products ?
About 1000 quid per bidon ?
adamfo said:Froome said he had to google the word ketone and had never taken it.
red_flanders said:LaFlorecita said:In the Chris Froome thread in the Pro Racing subforum, I saw a picture of Froome preparing for Rio 2016 in a "Peak Performance Chamber" by GlaxoSmithKline. In this chamber oxygen levels, humidity and temperature can be regulated. I also remember reading Team Sky's super performance on stage 10 of the TDF was explained away with the story that they had trained in a special chamber in which they mirrored the predicted conditions for that stage; this might have been the same chamber/machine. This made me think at the time and now that I see it again, I started wondering, do other teams have access to similar chambers? I remember reading a reply on the theguardian.com website, stating that Tinkoff-Saxo had tried to get their hands on the ketone drinks but you have to be besties with Oxford University to get them. I searched the comment section for that reply a while later but it appears it has been deleted just like all other replies questioning Team sky anyway my question: does anyone know if other teams have access to such chambers? And if they don't surely we have to wonder if this is what we want: multi-million dollar teams owned by huge companies with massive influence and many connections in their country of origin, leading to a massive technological and scientific advantage for these teams? It's not even just a matter of larger budgets: I understand a team with a bigger budget will have an advantage. But if one team can use methods other teams can't, no matter how much money those other teams are willing to spend.....?
In the 2000's, many cyclists claimed to be using altitude tents. Turned they weren't, and were simply using them as an EPO smokescreen. Because real evidence of the performance benefits of such devices is scarce and hotly debated, it should not surprise anyone if this turns out to be the same exact tactic, re-hashed by Sky and sold as innovation.
Rather than some magical chamber we don't know works, again the simplest, (relatively) less expensive, time-honored and most likely scenario is oxygen vector doping.
Cycle Chic said:Nicholas Roche morphing into Geraint Thomas now - just gets funnier every race. Roche with the climbers up til the last 1km....ahead of Pozzovivo !!
Bernie's eyesore said:Cycle Chic said:Nicholas Roche morphing into Geraint Thomas now - just gets funnier every race. Roche with the climbers up til the last 1km....ahead of Pozzovivo !!
Is this the same guy who has finished 5th and 6th in the Vuelta before?
bigcog said:Bernie's eyesore said:Cycle Chic said:Nicholas Roche morphing into Geraint Thomas now - just gets funnier every race. Roche with the climbers up til the last 1km....ahead of Pozzovivo !!
Is this the same guy who has finished 5th and 6th in the Vuelta before?
Indeed it is
Cycle Chic said:Nicholas Roche morphing into Geraint Thomas now - just gets funnier every race. Roche with the climbers up til the last 1km....ahead of Pozzovivo !!
True but come on, you have to be pretty desperate for an internet win if you are going to be pointing holes in cycle chics posts. She (or he since its chic not chick so I don't know) is like the clinic version of Grandpa Simpson with increasingly ridiculous theories and more often than not it used to be the sky "haters" who are the first to dispute their posts, though now we just ignore them.Bernie's eyesore said:bigcog said:Bernie's eyesore said:Cycle Chic said:Nicholas Roche morphing into Geraint Thomas now - just gets funnier every race. Roche with the climbers up til the last 1km....ahead of Pozzovivo !!
Is this the same guy who has finished 5th and 6th in the Vuelta before?
Indeed it is
Oh right, I assumed from Cycle Chic's post that I had got him confused with a different rider!
In fairness, being with Ag2r and not having especially strong support squads then he did "Zubeldia" his way to those results for the most part (though he was conspicuously visible in a stage or two each time, which Haimar would never allow for); he quite likely won't do as well on GC as that this time but has been active and at the forefront throughout, which gives the illusion - which is more than likely what it is - of him doing better than usual.Bernie's eyesore said:Cycle Chic said:Nicholas Roche morphing into Geraint Thomas now - just gets funnier every race. Roche with the climbers up til the last 1km....ahead of Pozzovivo !!
Is this the same guy who has finished 5th and 6th in the Vuelta before?
Libertine Seguros said:In fairness, being with Ag2r and not having especially strong support squads then he did "Zubeldia" his way to those results for the most part (though he was conspicuously visible in a stage or two each time, which Haimar would never allow for); he quite likely won't do as well on GC as that this time but has been active and at the forefront throughout, which gives the illusion - which is more than likely what it is - of him doing better than usual.Bernie's eyesore said:Cycle Chic said:Nicholas Roche morphing into Geraint Thomas now - just gets funnier every race. Roche with the climbers up til the last 1km....ahead of Pozzovivo !!
Is this the same guy who has finished 5th and 6th in the Vuelta before?
Cycle Chic said:So when the last climb is down to Quintana, Rodriquez, Valverde, Froome, Aru, Majka, Henao, Nieve, Chaves, ROCHE !! thats not a bit odd ??
Roche on the Bola del Mundo on his way to 7th on GC in 2010...Cycle Chic said:So when the last climb is down to Quintana, Rodriquez, Valverde, Froome, Aru, Majka, Henao, Nieve, Chaves, ROCHE !! thats not a bit odd ??
Indeed. Check out this fatty:cadence said:Cycle Chic said:So when the last climb is down to Quintana, Rodriquez, Valverde, Froome, Aru, Majka, Henao, Nieve, Chaves, ROCHE !! thats not a bit odd ??
You forgot the race winner, Dumoulin. I also think you are confusing the Roche at the tour who was carrying a bit of weight to work for Froome on the flats to the Roche normally seen at the Vuelta
cadence said:Cycle Chic said:So when the last climb is down to Quintana, Rodriquez, Valverde, Froome, Aru, Majka, Henao, Nieve, Chaves, ROCHE !! thats not a bit odd ??
You forgot the race winner, Dumoulin. I also think you are confusing the Roche at the tour who was carrying a bit of weight to work for Froome on the flats to the Roche normally seen at the Vuelta
Cycle Chic said:cadence said:Cycle Chic said:So when the last climb is down to Quintana, Rodriquez, Valverde, Froome, Aru, Majka, Henao, Nieve, Chaves, ROCHE !! thats not a bit odd ??
You forgot the race winner, Dumoulin. I also think you are confusing the Roche at the tour who was carrying a bit of weight to work for Froome on the flats to the Roche normally seen at the Vuelta
ohhhhhhhhh yeh I forgot you can transform yourself whenever the occasion permits.
So the Worlds are coming up - hey think i,ll be a timetrialler that week !
Cycle Chic said:cadence said:Cycle Chic said:So when the last climb is down to Quintana, Rodriquez, Valverde, Froome, Aru, Majka, Henao, Nieve, Chaves, ROCHE !! thats not a bit odd ??
You forgot the race winner, Dumoulin. I also think you are confusing the Roche at the tour who was carrying a bit of weight to work for Froome on the flats to the Roche normally seen at the Vuelta
ohhhhhhhhh yeh I forgot you can transform yourself whenever the occasion permits.
So the Worlds are coming up - hey think i,ll be a timetrialler that week !