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Red Rick said:
Who needs to train before a race anyway can just use the 5500m total climbing stage the day before as climbing if only people had thought of that earlier who needs recovery anyway.
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Of course he trains, but then he rides around Italy doing sod all outside time trials for 16 two and a half weeks. He knows that his whole race is two stages. The day before he gets in the break to test his legs, but doesn't overdo it. And then fresh as a daisy, a double World TT champion drops knackered GC riders.

Again your suspicion is down to your limited understanding of the sport
 
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Parker said:
Of course he trains, but then he rides around Italy doing sod all outside time trials for 16 two and a half weeks. He knows that his whole race is two stages. The day before he gets in the break to test his legs, but doesn't overdo it. And then fresh as a daisy, a double World TT champion drops knackered GC riders.

Again your suspicion is down to your limited understanding of the sport
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Ya we are the ones know nothing about the sport. We are just cynics and skeptics who cant dream big or believe in miracles
 
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Parker said:
Of course he trains, but then he rides around Italy doing sod all outside time trials for 16 two and a half weeks. He knows that his whole race is two stages. The day before he gets in the break to test his legs, but doesn't overdo it. And then fresh as a daisy, a double World TT champion drops knackered GC riders.

Again your suspicion is down to your limited understanding of the sport
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Nice bait in the end.

Yeah, that's it really.
 
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Apart from the time trials, he just sat in the bunch for 2 weeks. Got himself in a break to put some effort into the legs and then knocked it off. Knew where his level was at for the Stelvio stage and what power he could sustain, Recovered on the shortened stage again doing nothing. Repeated the same hard effort yesterday on a shorter and less steep climb.
 
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Apart from the time trials, he just sat in the bunch for 2 weeks. Got himself in a break to put some effort into the legs and then knocked it off. Knew where his level was at for the Stelvio stage and what power he could sustain, Recovered on the shortened stage again doing nothing. Repeated the same hard effort yesterday on a shorter and less steep climb.
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Thats so simple now that you lay it all out. How did no other team ever thing of trying that. Wow Dave is just so smart
 
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You have to admit that Ineos is quick to draw conclusions and adapt. Froome is past it, Thomas might also never replicate his GT win, Bernal is not the dominator it initially seemed. TdF and preperation this year was where those things were revealed.

But the reaction of Ineos to this defeat was superb (viewing it from their position at least). Using the Giro to the good old Vuelta 2011 transformation again. This time Tao is Froome and I guess Thomas would have been Wiggins. The team is also super strong as a whole (see stage wins).
 
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Apart from the time trials, he just sat in the bunch for 2 weeks. Got himself in a break to put some effort into the legs and then knocked it off. Knew where his level was at for the Stelvio stage and what power he could sustain, Recovered on the shortened stage again doing nothing. Repeated the same hard effort yesterday on a shorter and less steep climb.
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Well, this strategy does only work, however, if you know that you are the strongest with your "calculated" efforts when you bring them. I have the impression that Fuglsang, for example, also rode a really controlled and conservative race with paced efforts. He simply was not good enough. So, the real magic happened in bringing Tao (and Dennis) to this ridiculous good level.
 
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Well, this strategy does only work, however, if you know that you are the strongest with your "calculated" efforts when you bring them. I have the impression that Fuglsang, for example, also rode a really controlled and conservative race with paced efforts. He simply was not good enough. So, the real magic happened in bringing Tao (and Dennis) to this ridiculous good level.
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I think a two-time World ITT champion knows very well how to manage his efforts. Tao could be leading the GC but he didn't play it well on Etna as he probably was a little too aggressive about covering attacks after Thomas was done and then paid for it later on up the mountain. I thought the forum consensus was that Fuglsang is more suited to one-day/one week races than a 3 week Tour?
 
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zlev11 said:
anyone remember Sir Dave admitting after the Tour that other teams had passed them by without them noticing? it's pretty amazing that it only took them 5 weeks to catch back up and blow past them all again and now their 7th best climbing domestique is about to win the Giro.
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Have a look at who they are up against.

Look at the top 5 in the Giro GC and tell me which one of those has ever been near a podium.
 
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Have a look at who they are up against.

Look at the top 5 in the Giro GC and tell me which one of those has ever been near a podium.
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Kelderman was 4th in La Vuelta in 2017, only lost 3rd on the Angliru on the penultimate day.

Yeah Dennis probably wouldn't have dropped Roglic. Big deal. It's still beyond ridiculous. Especially as this transformation magically happened during the race. Tao dropped 3 minutes on Etna, the slowest climb of the Giro. Then they casually go back to EPO day climbing speeds
 
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Have a look at who they are up against.

Look at the top 5 in the Giro GC and tell me which one of those has ever been near a podium.
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check out the Vuelta GC from last season. Tao finished half an hour behind Hermann Pernsteiner, who he is now 10 minutes ahead of. we could do this all day.

also lol, he made Nibali look like packfill three different times. he was on a GT podium just last season, beating the rider who finished 2nd at the Tour de France this year.
 
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^ both missing the point massively

This isnt an Ineos issue. This is a cycling issue.

Again, go and look at the top 5 and have a think about whether any of them have any real background.

(Red Rick...Kelderman did get 4th. It is irrelevant where or why he didnt get 3rd. He didnt get it, and that is all that counts)
 
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