Teams & Riders Team Visma - Lease a Bike

[Põhja Konn]

I don't think there's been a GT in history that team couldn't win. Anything less than an easy win would be a disaster. Only way to beat them, outside of Remco going ham, is for other teams to collaborate - and we know how well that works...

The team is overpowering, at least on paper, but Vingegaards actual form is the big question mark. If he is at or near his Tour level, your statement holds true, otherwise not really.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

If one day Grischa says "Show the world who's the strongest" the race is over. It's obviously an encoded message to You Know Who to push 7 w/kg.

 

[theyoungest]

With regards to budget - FDJ have 20 million Euros
https://inrng.com/2023/08/groupama-fdj-finances-2021/

Did not understand why Jumbo planned to have Vingegaard doing the Vuelta (this must have been planned in the Spring) then I wondered if it has anything to do with getting a big sponsor - "look! We win every race we enter!" 3 GT's in one year is a good selling point.

I've said this before, but I don't think winning 3 GTs in a year matters much in the sponsor search. If they win the Vuelta you won't suddenly have a potential multi million euro sponsor thinking: oh wait a minute, this is actually a pretty good team. If nobody's interested by now, they won't be interested by next month either.

I don't think their results are the problem, it's who gets these results. They're somewhere in the middle between a Dutch team and an international team. For a Dutch domestic sponsor the international stars aren't that interesting, and for an international sponsor the Dutch department doesn't add anything.

 

[Bolder]

I've said this before, but I don't think winning 3 GTs in a year matters much in the sponsor search. If they win the Vuelta you won't suddenly have a potential multi million euro sponsor thinking: oh wait a minute, this is actually a pretty good team. If nobody's interested by now, they won't be interested by next month either.

I don't think their results are the problem, it's who gets these results. They're somewhere in the middle between a Dutch team and an international team. For a Dutch domestic sponsor the international stars aren't that interesting, and for an international sponsor the Dutch department doesn't add anything.

Good point but having your jersey at the front and top step of the podium of every GT should have a lot of appeal to international sponsors.

There are probably only 5 international cycling stars atm anyway, maybe just 3 actually (MvdP, remco and Pogacar). The rest, even Vingegaard, are still not remotely known outside of the sport.

 

[Netserk]

Good point but having your jersey at the front and top step of the podium of every GT should have a lot of appeal to international sponsors.

There are probably only 5 international cycling stars atm anyway, maybe just 3 actually (MvdP, remco and Pogacar). The rest, even Vingegaard, are still not remotely known outside of the sport.

I doubt Evenepoel and Van der Poel are more well-known than Vingegaard. The Tour simply reaches much further than anything else.

 

[theyoungest]

Good point but having your jersey at the front and top step of the podium of every GT should have a lot of appeal to international sponsors.

There are probably only 5 international cycling stars atm anyway, maybe just 3 actually (MvdP, remco and Pogacar). The rest, even Vingegaard, are still not remotely known outside of the sport.

I don't mean "international stars" in the sense that they'll get invited to the Met Gala, but international stars in a cycling context. I think you overrate Remco's fame a little though, my grandma has no idea who that is. She knows Pogacar, because she watches the Tour (like a lot of casual fans, I assume, outside of Belgium).

 

[Rob5091]

I've said this before, but I don't think winning 3 GTs in a year matters much in the sponsor search. If they win the Vuelta you won't suddenly have a potential multi million euro sponsor thinking: oh wait a minute, this is actually a pretty good team. If nobody's interested by now, they won't be interested by next month either.

I don't think their results are the problem, it's who gets these results. They're somewhere in the middle between a Dutch team and an international team. For a Dutch domestic sponsor the international stars aren't that interesting, and for an international sponsor the Dutch department doesn't add anything.

Good points, but I think if I was a sponsor, I'd want my brand on the top podium and crossing the finishing line first as often as possible. (winning = more TV time) As most non-pro-cycling people really only know the Tour de France, (and it gets the biggest coverage) it's the first question a sponsor would ask, "can you win the Tour?" Back in the Spring, it was a coin toss between Pogacar & Vingegaard. Next year? Mmm ... same again, a coin toss, but second at the Tour is not to be sniffed at.

If a sponsor digs around a bit though, what does he see? Pogacar! Everyone's favorite guy.

For a big international sponsor, I would guess being one of the top two teams would be enough, although the dreaded "D word" raised it's ugly head again at the Tour which might make some companies think twice.

 

[Rob5091]

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ju...rt-michel-hessman-after-anti-doping-positive/

Wonder how the Hessman case is effecting the sponsor hunt. Not good, I imagine. We await more info.

 

[CyclistAbi]

So Lidl is prepared to invest heavily into pro peloton and Jumbo claims it's not beneficial to them in doing so. Likely some online team meetings with the Jumbo upper management will be needed. To get the facts straight.

 

[Red Rick]

Kruijswijk will return to racing in Tour of Britain

Steven Kruijswijk maakt rentree aan zijde Van Aert en Kooij in Tour of Britain

Steven Kruijswijk maakt drie maanden na zijn zware valpartij in het Critérium du Dauphiné zijn rentree in het peloton. Zondag gaat de klimmer van Jumbo-Visma van start in de Tour of Britain, waar de Nederlandse ploeg met Wout van Aert en Olav Kooij als kopmannen aan de start staat. “Ik kijk...

www.wielerflits.nl

 

[Rob5091]

Kruijswijk will return to racing in Tour of Britain

Steven Kruijswijk maakt rentree aan zijde Van Aert en Kooij in Tour of Britain

Steven Kruijswijk maakt drie maanden na zijn zware valpartij in het Critérium du Dauphiné zijn rentree in het peloton. Zondag gaat de klimmer van Jumbo-Visma van start in de Tour of Britain, waar de Nederlandse ploeg met Wout van Aert en Olav Kooij als kopmannen aan de start staat. “Ik kijk...

www.wielerflits.nl

Crazy strong teams by Ineos & Jumbo at ToB - I can understand Ineos wanting to win something, home soil sort of etc, but Jumbo are just trolling.

 

[theyoungest]

Kruijswijk will return to racing in Tour of Britain

Steven Kruijswijk maakt rentree aan zijde Van Aert en Kooij in Tour of Britain

Steven Kruijswijk maakt drie maanden na zijn zware valpartij in het Critérium du Dauphiné zijn rentree in het peloton. Zondag gaat de klimmer van Jumbo-Visma van start in de Tour of Britain, waar de Nederlandse ploeg met Wout van Aert en Olav Kooij als kopmannen aan de start staat. “Ik kijk...

www.wielerflits.nl

I don't know why Van Aert isn't doing the Canadian classics. UAE have taken a pretty commanding lead in the UCI ranking, a race I thought Plugge and friends would be pretty interested in winning. But now it seems like they're giving up.

So Lidl is prepared to invest heavily into pro peloton and Jumbo claims it's not beneficial to them in doing so. Likely some online team meetings with the Jumbo upper management will be needed. To get the facts straight.

Different companies, different objectives. Lidl are an international brand, Jumbo are a local Dutch brand.

 

[RedheadDane]

Nice of Vingegaard, Kuss, and Roglic to save the team's honour, when the guys in Britain totally failed today.
Would have been bad if they'd have gone a whole day without a win.

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

The thing is, Jumbo Visma are better than US Postal, and better than Sky. And, most of all, Jumbo and their star riders are absolutely likeable.

Today‘s Vuelta Tourmalet stage will never be forgotten. On such terrain, in a GT, this was unique.

Jumbo let Remco and most of their opponents look like amateurs…

I think Roglic, Vingegaard and Kuss are really good colleagues, or even friends. I think at the 2024 TdF, Jonas, Sepp and Primoz will want to do to their rivals what they did today.

Now it‘s about bringing Sepp in Nr 1 to Madrid. Next year, it will all be about making Primoz TdF champion.

I imagine a 2024 TdF GC final podium of
1 Roglic,
2 Vingegaard,
3 Kuss…

 

[Rackham]

The thing is, Jumbo Visma are better than US Postal, and better than Sky. And, most of all, Jumbo and their star riders are absolutely likeable.

Today‘s Vuelta Tourmalet stage will never be forgotten. On such terrain, in a GT, this was unique.

Jumbo let Remco and most of their opponents look like amateurs…

I think Roglic, Vingegaard and Kuss are really good colleagues, or even friends. I think at the 2024 TdF, Jonas, Sepp and Primoz will want to do to their rivals what they did today.

Now it‘s about bringing Sepp in Nr 1 to Madrid. Next year, it will all be about making Primoz TdF champion.

I imagine a 2024 TdF GC final podium of
1 Roglic,
2 Vingegaard,
3 Kuss…

Nice scenario but I can't imagine there's a chance in hell that Vingegaard just 'accepts' that outcome in the TdF.

Jumbo is a highly ambitious outfit & they're not about to start handing out gifts to various riders. Kuss is only in this position in GC at the Vuelta because Quick-Step made a huge mistake last week, otherwise Rog would be currently winning this Vuelta.

 

[kn0s]

The thing is, Jumbo Visma are better than US Postal, and better than Sky. And, most of all, Jumbo and their star riders are absolutely likeable.

Today‘s Vuelta Tourmalet stage will never be forgotten. On such terrain, in a GT, this was unique.

Jumbo let Remco and most of their opponents look like amateurs…

I think Roglic, Vingegaard and Kuss are really good colleagues, or even friends. I think at the 2024 TdF, Jonas, Sepp and Primoz will want to do to their rivals what they did today.

Now it‘s about bringing Sepp in Nr 1 to Madrid. Next year, it will all be about making Primoz TdF champion.

I imagine a 2024 TdF GC final podium of
1 Roglic,
2 Vingegaard,
3 Kuss…

Anything can happen in a grand tour, and Rog needs to be at the TdF for it to happen. Then again I would be surprised if Roglic could suddenly hang with current level Pogi and Jonas. Example- Jonas beat Adam with 11minuts in the tour, and this was with several stages in a slow stalemate with Pog. Could have been quite a bit more I would think. Adam is a rider Primoz can beat, but they are racing the same race, Adam is not just background noise with him.

 

[Miss Violet Smith]

I am sure the JV team are all lovely and hard-working people, deserving of their wins etc; I still find their dominance disheartening. (Not boring, because I actually think their racing is interesting.)

And thus, I find myself in the very bizarre situation of thinking of teams financed by oil money as underdogs.

 

[theyoungest]

I am sure the JV team are all lovely and hard-working people, deserving of their wins etc; I still find their dominance disheartening. (Not boring, because I actually think their racing is interesting.)

And thus, I find myself in the very bizarre situation of thinking of teams financed by oil money as underdogs.

That's a sentiment that was especially prevalent during the Tour. Somehow Pogacar was seen as the underdog fighting against big bad Jumbo. But it's the other way around... Jumbo just use their resources better.

Having one team take up the 3 podium positions in a GT probably isn't "good for cycling", but if you look at how they got there, I don't think it's made the racing boring, nor have they been so dominant that you think "how is this even possible". Only Kuss has a level he maybe hasn't had before... but even that's up for debate. And they still need to stay healthy, which seems to be difficult enough.

 

[Miss Violet Smith]

That's a sentiment that was especially prevalent during the Tour. Somehow Pogacar was seen as the underdog fighting against big bad Jumbo. But it's the other way around... Jumbo just use their resources better.

Having one team take up the 3 podium positions in a GT probably isn't "good for cycling", but if you look at how they got there, I don't think it's made the racing boring, nor have they been so dominant that you think "how is this even possible". Only Kuss has a level he maybe hasn't had before... but even that's up for debate. And they still need to stay healthy, which seems to be difficult enough.

I cannot deny that I find Pogačar's style of racing particularly exciting and appealing.

However, as mentioned above, I agree that JV riders are interesting too, and while the UAE team may not have the width and overall strength of JV, it's a team that have contributed immensely to Pogačar's winning record over the past two years, so in my opinion, any narrative of the individual against the collective in TdF 2023 lacks nuance.

As for dominance being good or bad for cycling as a sport, I don't really believe that has any significant impact, the sport has weathered so much worse than one rider or one team winning a lot of races over a few seasons.

 

[GroupDK]

Good point but having your jersey at the front and top step of the podium of every GT should have a lot of appeal to international sponsors.

There are probably only 5 international cycling stars atm anyway, maybe just 3 actually (MvdP, remco and Pogacar). The rest, even Vingegaard, are still not remotely known outside of the sport.

nonsense.. There is the Tour and then everything else in cycling is secondary dont get much focus... the same with Giro and Vuelta.. both of these also get shockingly little headlights in the mainstream media.

Surprised about the Hollywood stars that followed the Tour de France and praised Vingegaard...I did not reckon that the Tour de France was that common in the USA, not least after the Armstrong Chananagang, but that is ages ago, - even after the Tour De France seems to take notice on Vingegaards's doings.. though a dude like Ben Stiller is a pretty big cycling fan.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1683655043977814016

View: https://twitter.com/BenStiller/status/1683655043977814016



Britney Spears also made a dance-tribute to Jonas if he could land his double Tour de France win, and sent luck & kisses and double-fingered hand posture to Vingegaard about his second Tour de France victory.
She even includes hand movements to symbolize all the mountains that Vingegaard needs to conquer..0:55 she believes he can do it.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg_I_PWUOBw


or maybe not..

but in general, there is the Tour de France, and then everything else is secondary and doesnt get much attention when it comes to the mainstream media.

 

[cen]

They will send all the toppers to Lombardia to do the final twist of the knife this season

 

[saunaking]

UAE needs to bring out all the guns at the next tour
Pog, Ayuso, Yates, Vine, Soler,Maijka, Bjerg, McNulty
Or they need another strong rouleur if McNulty isn't the guy for that role

 

[Peyroteo94]

UAE needs to bring out all the guns at the next tour
Pog, Ayuso, Yates, Vine, Soler,Maijka, Bjerg, McNulty
Or they need another strong rouleur if McNulty isn't the guy for that role

This is a scary team and you forgot Almeida.
Two strong roulers: Bjerg and Nils Politt probably (Trentin is out next year)
Pogacar
McNulty
Yates
Almeida
Ayuso
Majka
However, Pogi still needs to be better than Vingegaard.
There is a chance WVA will not ride the Tour next year which make jumbo a lot weaker. But they still have:
Vingegaard
Roglic
Kuss
Keldermann
Laporte
Van Hoydonk
Van Baarle
Gesink

 

[Andy schleck]

UAE needs to bring out all the guns at the next tour
Pog, Ayuso, Yates, Vine, Soler,Maijka, Bjerg, McNulty
Or they need another strong rouleur if McNulty isn't the guy for that role

For what? In the end it will be the same....just pogacar and vingegaard. It's more a question of pogacar have better legs than Vingegaard.

 

[IndianCyclist]

They will send all the toppers to Lombardia to do the final twist of the knife this season

Yes and get annihilated by Pogi or Remco which will bring them down a level.