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Son of Amsterhammer said:Winning a stage like this is pretty impressive. That group was strong and Landa is clearly strong. That was a statement win. I think he's fooling himself with the GC talk to be honest, but with winning a stage like this today, he's going to open potential doors for other goals (KOM, One day races, etc). Good luck to him.
pastronef said:Jancouver said:Son of Amsterhammer said:Winning a stage like this is pretty impressive. That group was strong and Landa is clearly strong. That was a statement win. I think he's fooling himself with the GC talk to be honest, but with winning a stage like this today, he's going to open potential doors for other goals (KOM, One day races, etc). Good luck to him.
Impressive? OK, he won but only because the main contenders didnt give a crap about the stage win. Yeah, sure, it's a win but I would not call it impressive.
Its same like yesterday all the Cannondale fans were celebrating while knowing the peloton gave the break 20min. Yeah it was a win nobody cared about, the race is happening elsewhere ... just saying
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It was impressive for many reasons (personal, professional, sporting...). True the GC contenders were busy with their own race within a race, but there are 150+ guys in this race who want a GT stage win. There is a lot more to a GT stage than the main GC guys. I could type on about the dynamics of a stage race, but I assume that most of us here understand.Jancouver said:Son of Amsterhammer said:Winning a stage like this is pretty impressive. That group was strong and Landa is clearly strong. That was a statement win. I think he's fooling himself with the GC talk to be honest, but with winning a stage like this today, he's going to open potential doors for other goals (KOM, One day races, etc). Good luck to him.
Impressive? OK, he won but only because the main contenders didnt give a crap about the stage win. Yeah, sure, it's a win but I would not call it impressive.
Its same like yesterday all the Cannondale fans were celebrating while knowing the peloton gave the break 20min. Yeah it was a win nobody cared about, the race is happening elsewhere ... just saying
trucido said:Impressive but no more than Rolland's win the other day.
RedheadDane said:Why not just accept that what's impressive depends on the rider - and the situation he's in? If Quintana had won a stage like yesterday it of course wouldn't have been impressive, but for Tejay it's a different story.
RedheadDane said:Why not just accept that what's impressive depends on the rider - and the situation he's in? If Quintana had won a stage like yesterday it of course wouldn't have been impressive, but for Tejay it's a different story.
LOL. GT contenders often don't give a crap about conceding these last week stages. It is always like that. That's the idea of stage hunting.Jancouver said:Son of Amsterhammer said:Winning a stage like this is pretty impressive. That group was strong and Landa is clearly strong. That was a statement win. I think he's fooling himself with the GC talk to be honest, but with winning a stage like this today, he's going to open potential doors for other goals (KOM, One day races, etc). Good luck to him.
Impressive? OK, he won but only because the main contenders didnt give a crap about the stage win. Yeah, sure, it's a win but I would not call it impressive.
Its same like yesterday all the Cannondale fans were celebrating while knowing the peloton gave the break 20min. Yeah it was a win nobody cared about, the race is happening elsewhere ... just saying
Galic Ho said:RedheadDane said:Why not just accept that what's impressive depends on the rider - and the situation he's in? If Quintana had won a stage like yesterday it of course wouldn't have been impressive, but for Tejay it's a different story.
Landa backing up two days in a row after two second places, now that is impressive.
Tejay did well. Good for him.
Then he showed his lack of class and started BOASTING in himself again.
He has learned absolutely nothing. He just got part way out of his hole and began digging further. Good job there.
Whilst stage 18 was nice, I discovered an artilce on velonews where Tejay actually confirmed everything I ahve been saying. He admitted he is probably starting GT's too light and suffers because of it. He knows what the problem is but is focused on his watts per kilogram.
Until he solves that issue, nothing has changed. He simply won a stage. Good work. There are 63 of them each year in Grand Tour's. Peter Sagan won five at the Tour last year...
Tejay irks people because he has opened his mouth and boasted far too much. It's like hearing Dumoulin cry about other riders not work with him yesterday...both are major A grade ***** who appear to think they're entitled something without doing the yards.
I'll applaud when they deliver. In the mean time, both are good for a laugh. I had a great laugh tonight. Maglia rosa wearer bad mouths other riders whose teams do more work than his...loses time next stage. That's why cycling is gold for comedy. as there are plenty of stuck up little boys riding bikes with enormous egos who don't deliver.
Keep giving Tejay...you almost got to the point where I sympathise further and then you opened your gob. Another BMC failing. Sky had the common sense to remove their walking potty mouth in Wiggins from the road squad...mouthed off too much to. Still does!! I thought he'd learned.
It seems these guys really don't learn at all. They just get another result and go back to the same foolishness. So, laughing at them is what's going to amuse me. Thanks Tejay, got zero time to show you sympathy anymore.
GC rider...nope. Not a chance.
Tonton said:I'm very happy for TJVG. At least he gets something positive out of this Giro. It was tough to see his demise, how his world crashed to the ground.
RedheadDane said:Guess what confuses me is the "he's too thin to be a climber." part. After all, generally speaking being thin is pretty much a good thing when you wanna be a climber.
Though, it's entirely possible that Tejay simply doesn't have the physique to be as thin as necessary to be a climber, and that he instead should focus on his ITT and limiting his losses on the climbs. Judging by the last ITT he's lost some of his TTing skills too, or maybe his head was still too full of the "What happened?" thoughts.
However, I do agree that he's making a mistake in thinking he could still be a GT contender. Or maybe it's thinking that he should still be a GT contender; that a career as a GT contender is the only career worth having.
saunaking said:so TJ sucks but the guys you compare him to in this post?
Landa
Sagan
Dumoulin
Wiggo
not bad company
RedheadDane said:Now you're saying Too thin to be a GC contender, previously you were saying Too thin to be a climber. There's a difference, mainly in the sense that you don't have to be a climber to be a GC contender.
Though, the 2015 Vuelta might be a bad example; didn't he break his collarbone, or wrist, or something? That's hardly got anything to do with his weight...
And once more, I do agree that he's making a mistake in thinking he could/should still be a GT rider.
I've not changed my claim once...you probably didn't understand my expression. I've been consistent with what I know is wrong with Tejay.