Tennis

[etphonehome]

Re: Re:

Hold the phone! Nice first post, chapeau.

BTW, Djoko way more conspicuous than Stan.

Merci. I mostly lurk and learn because I don't know enough to contribute anything other people aren't already, but sometimes a joke writes itself.

 

[neineinei]

http://www.doping.nl/media/kb/3098/CAS%202014_A_3751%20X%20vs%20WADA.pdf

You need a TUE for DHEA? Fine by us, said the International Tennis Federation.

 

[robow7]

Muster was a top - 10 ranked player at 21.

Yea, Muster was a clay court beast and pretty one dimensional. It's a shame his accident derailed his career. Btw I saw him hitting a few years ago and obviously long after his retirement and though he obviously had put on weight, he was still a bull in the upper body.

 

[bewildered]

was just about to post that Nei. Stuck it on the TUE thread anyway

 

[bewildered]

searched under the case number and got thishttps://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/cas-2014-a-3751_1.pdf so it is on Wada site

 

[sniper]

Muster was a top - 10 ranked player at 21.

he had by far his best year in 1995 (his form extending into 1996/7), when he was 28.
He went from winning 3 tournaments in 1994 to winning 12 tournaments in 1995, including "40 consecutive matches on clay (the longest winning streak on the surface since Björn Borg had won 46 in 1977–79" (wiki)
Imo quite comparable in terms of transformation to Stanozolol.

 

[The Carrot]

You gotta like this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/active/11685957/Novak-Djokovics-health-blueprint-how-to-transform-your-body-in-14-days.html#disqus_thread

 

[Zebadeedee]

Re:

http://www.doping.nl/media/kb/3098/CAS%202014_A_3751%20X%20vs%20WADA.pdf

You need a TUE for DHEA? Fine by us, said the International Tennis Federation.

This appears likely to be the Doctor Eric Serrano concerned:-

http://musclepharm.com/athletes/sports-science-center/research/team/dr-eric-serrano-md/

A former power lifter no, less. Cleans? Of course!

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

http://www.doping.nl/media/kb/3098/CAS%202014_A_3751%20X%20vs%20WADA.pdf

You need a TUE for DHEA? Fine by us, said the International Tennis Federation.

This appears likely to be the Doctor Eric Serrano concerned:-

http://musclepharm.com/athletes/sports-science-center/research/team/dr-eric-serrano-md/

A former power lifter no, less. Cleans? Of course!

Agassi's coach/trainer/bodybuilder was also a power-lifter. Gil Reyes

he then kept working with Adidas and Darren Cahill in Las Vegas, together for Adidas they both trained Fernando Velasquez or Fernandez one nothern hemisphere winter in Vegas, and Fernando, ex squeeze of the Serbian female player who lost all that weight and dated the australian golfer, anyway, he came down to the Australian Open in January about 2010, may have been 2009 or 8, and he blitzed it to the semis. Absolutely blitzed it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gil_Reyes_(tennis)

 

[blackcat]

Fernando Verdasco
http://2015.ausopen.com/en_AU/players/overview/atpv306.html

anna ivanovic was his squeeze, before she was with Adam Scott, and about around the time, no, it would have been about 24 months before, she started losing all the weight due to peptides like lipotropin

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

http://www.doping.nl/media/kb/3098/CAS%202014_A_3751%20X%20vs%20WADA.pdf

You need a TUE for DHEA? Fine by us, said the International Tennis Federation.

This appears likely to be the Doctor Eric Serrano concerned:-

http://musclepharm.com/athletes/sports-science-center/research/team/dr-eric-serrano-md/

A former power lifter no, less. Cleans? Of course!

re:Gil Reyes and Andre Agassi

When they first began working together Agassi could bench press 135 pounds. Fourteen years later in 2003, he was benchpressing 350 lbs.

and blackcat quote the only reason someone hires a powerlifter to be a strength and conditioning coach is cos he knows where you can buy the best roids on which corner jenny from the block /quote

thnx for the contribution blackcat.

 

[blackcat]

sounds like the triple jumper jonathan edwards from the UK who would slip down the drainhole if he was not hanging onto the railguard, he could also benchpress 330lbs.

NOT freekin NORMAL

 

[Zebadeedee]

https://www.t-nation.com/supplements/dr-details

http://www.elitefts.com/author/eric-serrano/

Who is his tennis doper client?

 

[blackcat]

Re:

https://www.t-nation.com/supplements/dr-details

http://www.elitefts.com/author/eric-serrano/

Who is his tennis doper client?

that Serrano doctor is full of sh!t. first he mentions that 100s of athletes were coming thru his door.

HUNDREDS. plural. multiple. hundreds.

now this:

Do many athletes come to see you for advice with anabolics?

Dr. S: Oh, yes, and I tell them to take a hike. In some cases, people have used drugs in the past, and as a doctor, my responsibility is to fix them. However, people approaching me to put them on drugs find the exit quickly.

hey dr S you liar, you already gave the game away before you answered this denial. i dont believe you dude.

 

[arcus]

I registered primarily to say that, IMO, there's a lot of really good sense talked in this thread... Kudos.

Re: the DHEA TUE (which shocked me), I also came to the conclusion that the Dr Serrano in question is likely to be the one referred to above.

Did anyone else notice that the way the athletes name is redacted in the CAS document is atypical? Made me wonder about hyphenated names.......................

 

[Zebadeedee]

Re:

I registered primarily to say that, IMO, there's a lot of really good sense talked in this thread... Kudos.

Re: the DHEA TUE (which shocked me), I also came to the conclusion that the Dr Serrano in question is likely to be the one referred to above.

Did anyone else notice that the way the athletes name is redacted in the CAS document is atypical? Made me wonder about hyphenated names.......................

You're not suggesting Bethanie Mattek-Sands, are you? She does fit the bill as a player with chronic fatigue issues during that 2010-2013 period. Plus there's some mysterious periods off tour followed by sharp rises in her ranking. And she's being target-tested of late; 7 plus times in 2014 according to ITF stats now published which amounts to a big deal for them.

http://www.itftennis.com/media/199333/199333.pdf.

I see someone has already twigged her name on the THASP site.

 

[Zebadeedee]

Re:

http://www.doping.nl/media/kb/3098/CAS%202014_A_3751%20X%20vs%20WADA.pdf

You need a TUE for DHEA? Fine by us, said the International Tennis Federation.

And too shame-faced to display the WADA overrule/CAS decision on its website.

 

[bewildered]

v interesting. I have thought for some time that BMS had an unusually powerful a serve for a female player. And the hyphenation point is interesting. I did twig that it was an athlete from a country beginning with a vowel and based on where the doctors are from that it was an American. But when I looked through the judgment and the American females playing history during the relevant period I thought it might be Venus! 'She began competing full-time' following the December 2013 treatment - BMS played LESS games in 2014 than 2013, 50 singles and 29 doubles in 2013 compared to 23 singles and only 5 doubles in 2014. BMS does train in Phoenix AZ but lives in Miami and the athlete saw 2 doctors from Ohio before the Arizona doctor came on board. Also 'complete rest' September - December 2013. BMS played 2 matches in Sept 2013 whereas VW had none. But I suppose it wouldn't be unusual for an American player to wind-down once the US Open finishes in late August.

 

[bewildered]

also thought it was very shoddy to redact the practice area (location) of Dr. Eric Serrano and leave his name in. What's the point?

 

[Zebadeedee]

The tennis TUE is a big scam. The fact that enablers like Serrano can make successful applications for players shows just how lamentably weak the ITF is when it comes to anti-doping. In the entire time since taking over anti-doping from the ATP/WTA they haven't comprehensively bagged one single big name doper.

 

[blackcat]

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The tennis TUE is a big scam. The fact that enablers like Serrano can make successful applications for players shows just how lamentably weak the ITF is when it comes to anti-doping. In the entire time since taking over anti-doping from the ATP/WTA they haven't comprehensively bagged one single big name doper.

how about this...
p'raps they have.
but, it is never made public, and if was someone on the level of Venus/Serena or Nadal/Murray/Fed/Djokavic it is either covered up, under the rug, or a silent ban, like p'raps Soderling or Nadal have had.

Which men have been busted? For about the entire decade, the ATF was busting Argentinians for coke, or was it amphetamines. I find it highly suspicious that they will only bust players from South America. It is a bit like cycling, where it is ok to bust a central or eastern european rider (prima facie institutional racism)

i cant remember the ones done from Argenina, dont think the Chlean MArcelo Rios was busted. But I can remember Greg Ruzedski of Britain or Canada, and the human dunnybrush Michael Kordr (daughter is a good american golfer)... Richard Gasquet, unlike the South Americans, he got off with his cocaine kiss explanation. Beautiful backhand, $hit justification. Not Nalbandian, but for the life of me, can't remember the Argentinean tennis players.

All you need to know, Agassi was let off for his methamphetamine positive, if they busted him necking Gil Reye's steroids, do you think they ban him? not on your life.

 

[arcus]

WADA recently released comprehensive statistics relating to adverse analytic finding (AAFs) and anti-doping rule violations (ADRVs) for 2013. 2 things struck me based on the report.

1] In samples from tennis players, 14 (12 collected by ITF) had AAFs. In 4 cases, the athlete had a TUE for the agent in question. In 2 "there was no case to answer", and in the remaining 8 an ADRV was found to have occurred. An ADRV was defined in the report as "A decision was rendered and an ADRV was recorded against the athlete following a full disciplinary process. The sanction was either a reprimand or a period of ineligibility"
I am only aware of 6 such cases, based on ITF press releases (Aleksanyan, Aldossri, Gregori, Esteve, Llagostera Vives, and Cilic). Where are the other 2? At first, I wondered if they chose to reprimand a few players for recreational drug positives, but that doesn't seem to be their modus operandi.

2] The WADA report stated that there 4 Non-analytic anti-doping rule violations (possession, refusals, whereabouts violations, etc) among tennis players that year. I am only aware of 2, based on ITF press releases (Troicki and Da Silva Barata). Where are the other 2?

Anyone have explanations? Did I miss some?

 

[nayr497]

And here I was thinking it was all about the racquet technology...

 

[The Carrot]

Well in the UK the annual w@nkfest that is Wimbledon will soon be upon us. We'll get the usual 'oh Andy', 'oh Roger', 'oh Rafa', 'oh Novak' like the media are best mates with em. We'll also get the usual; new coach, bigger racket, tighter racket, new diet, new shoes, new jock strap explanations as to why players are as 'fresh as a daisy' after a five-set 6 hour slug fest. There's even get a day when they let ordinary folk in, it's called people's Sunday, how pretentious is that?.

 

[arcus]

Re: Re:

The tennis TUE is a big scam. The fact that enablers like Serrano can make successful applications for players shows just how lamentably weak the ITF is when it comes to anti-doping. In the entire time since taking over anti-doping from the ATP/WTA they haven't comprehensively bagged one single big name doper.

It really bothers me that the initial TUE application was approved. The MD wasn't an endocrinologist. There were inconsistencies in his testimony which are well-described in the CAS document. The names of steroid hormones were even misspelled. And the language.....

"he displays typical symptoms of a patient with adrenal insufficiency stage three, meaning her adrenal glands are in hyper-drive, or making too much Cortisol before they burn out. . . The saliva test shows very low levels of Cortisol, indicative of an individual in stage three adrenal insufficiency
Her blood and saliva test came back as stage III adrenal insufficiency, which included low Pregnelone [sic], DHEA, progesterone, Cortisol, aldosterone, and Dehydrotestosteone [sic] levels, which means she in in total failure."

I don't even know what Stage 3 adrenal insufficiency means... Perhaps the MD was referring to something called the 'Adrenal Stress index'. I can't find a source about this that that I consider scientifically reliable, though. When I googled, livestrong links were prominent, tough

I'm not an endocrinologist, but I am a physician. I can't rationalize the proposed treatment based on the information in the CAS document. I am still baffled as to why a TUE was issued in the first place.

ITF seem to contract out TUE application management to a Swedish company idtm.se. I don't know if this was the case in 2013/4, or how much their involvement is merely administrative, vs making actual judgements. Stewart MIller, and appropriately chosen physicians should be ultimately responsible for the end-result, though. Someone was not doing a good job, IMO