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This is actually the best part of it. Gaviria and Ewan (and Greipel and Kittel) have for the most part been very respectful with each other and (hopefully) that is rubbing off in us, the fans. I love Cav, but that "sprinters must be killers/a**holes, its their nature" attitude I would love to age outVroome.exe said:Jspear said:Vroome.exe said:So after Gaviria made some kamikaze moves in the sprint and came like a rocket, he says he didn't have the legs today. Lol, how would it look like if he had those.
That's just an excuse.
He had the legs. Obviously there's more than just strong legs in a sprint.
I wouldn't call it excuse, he said that Ewan was the strongest and deserved to win. I like how they all show big respect between each other.
I don't particularly like sprinters, actually not at all in general, but I think trashtalking between sprinters (and everyone else for that matter) is kinda nice. Well, maybe not nice, but entertaining at least. Not saying they need to be aholes, but you have to be made out of something special to do the crazy *** they sometimes are doing.gospina said:This is actually the best part of it. Gaviria and Ewan (and Greipel and Kittel) have for the most part been very respectful with each other and (hopefully) that is rubbing off in us, the fans. I love Cav, but that "sprinters must be killers/a**holes, its their nature" attitude I would love to age outVroome.exe said:Jspear said:Vroome.exe said:So after Gaviria made some kamikaze moves in the sprint and came like a rocket, he says he didn't have the legs today. Lol, how would it look like if he had those.
That's just an excuse.
He had the legs. Obviously there's more than just strong legs in a sprint.
I wouldn't call it excuse, he said that Ewan was the strongest and deserved to win. I like how they all show big respect between each other.
I enjoy it as well. The excuses made in the past for the likes of McEwen, Steels, Brown and Cav have been sickening at times. Refreshing to get to see a respectful rivalry.gospina said:This is actually the best part of it. Gaviria and Ewan (and Greipel and Kittel) have for the most part been very respectful with each other and (hopefully) that is rubbing off in us, the fans. I love Cav, but that "sprinters must be killers/a**holes, its their nature" attitude I would love to age outVroome.exe said:Jspear said:Vroome.exe said:So after Gaviria made some kamikaze moves in the sprint and came like a rocket, he says he didn't have the legs today. Lol, how would it look like if he had those.
That's just an excuse.
He had the legs. Obviously there's more than just strong legs in a sprint.
I wouldn't call it excuse, he said that Ewan was the strongest and deserved to win. I like how they all show big respect between each other.
The Hegelian said:I'm calling it, it's no longer a big three.
Both Gav and Ewan have arrived. It's a big five.
Well, Cav is 1-6 against Gav so I don't know about that. I think it's really close to a 5 man group, with Kittel being a step above when at his best.Jspear said:The Hegelian said:I'm calling it, it's no longer a big three.
Both Gav and Ewan have arrived. It's a big five.
Nah not yet. Kittel in top form is still a step above them. Even Cav is. Of course they're close and can be competitive.
jaylew said:Well, Cav is 1-6 against Gav so I don't know about that. I think it's really close to a 5 man group, with Kittel being a step above when at his best.Jspear said:The Hegelian said:I'm calling it, it's no longer a big three.
Both Gav and Ewan have arrived. It's a big five.
Nah not yet. Kittel in top form is still a step above them. Even Cav is. Of course they're close and can be competitive.
Cavendish proved last year in the Tour de France that, when he is good, he is still the very best. Very big context in their H2H statistics.jaylew said:Well, Cav is 1-6 against Gav so I don't know about that. I think it's really close to a 5 man group, with Kittel being a step above when at his best.Jspear said:The Hegelian said:I'm calling it, it's no longer a big three.
Both Gav and Ewan have arrived. It's a big five.
Nah not yet. Kittel in top form is still a step above them. Even Cav is. Of course they're close and can be competitive.
I have to agree. I have it as:Jspear said:The Hegelian said:I'm calling it, it's no longer a big three.
Both Gav and Ewan have arrived. It's a big five.
Nah not yet. Kittel in top form is still a step above them. Even Cav is. Of course they're close and can be competitive.
Why is Viviani so high?42x16ss said:I have to agree. I have it as:Jspear said:The Hegelian said:I'm calling it, it's no longer a big three.
Both Gav and Ewan have arrived. It's a big five.
Nah not yet. Kittel in top form is still a step above them. Even Cav is. Of course they're close and can be competitive.
Kittel
Cav
Gaviria, Greipel, Ewan, Viviani
Sagan*
Bouhanni, Démare
But all are capable of beating the others on their day.
*In a pure, flat bunch sprint only.
Alexandre B. said:Why is Viviani so high?42x16ss said:I have to agree. I have it as:Jspear said:The Hegelian said:I'm calling it, it's no longer a big three.
Both Gav and Ewan have arrived. It's a big five.
Nah not yet. Kittel in top form is still a step above them. Even Cav is. Of course they're close and can be competitive.
Kittel
Cav
Gaviria, Greipel, Ewan, Viviani
Sagan*
Bouhanni, Démare
But all are capable of beating the others on their day.
*In a pure, flat bunch sprint only.
The Hegelian said:Well earlier in the season in the mid-east, Ewan was = with the big three. Won one, could have won two.
And of course we all say 'jeez, he's super quick now, but okay, let's wait until a GT when everyone is in form.'
Okay - well it is a GT, in the heart of season and I think both Gaviria and Ewan are/were going a touch quicker than Greipal. Could be that the Gorilla has a lost a tiny bit of top end speed, but more plausible that the two young guns have arrived. Interesting to note Bennett and Groenewegen knocking on the door too.
I'd agree that on a tdf early flat stage, Kittel is still favourite. But the other four are even in my book.
So I'd go:
Kittel
Cav, Gav, Ewan, Greipal
Sagan, Bouhanni, Demare, Bennett, Groenewegen, Vivianni, Degenkolb, Kristoff.
dirkprovin said:The Hegelian said:Well earlier in the season in the mid-east, Ewan was = with the big three. Won one, could have won two.
And of course we all say 'jeez, he's super quick now, but okay, let's wait until a GT when everyone is in form.'
Okay - well it is a GT, in the heart of season and I think both Gaviria and Ewan are/were going a touch quicker than Greipal. Could be that the Gorilla has a lost a tiny bit of top end speed, but more plausible that the two young guns have arrived. Interesting to note Bennett and Groenewegen knocking on the door too.
I'd agree that on a tdf early flat stage, Kittel is still favourite. But the other four are even in my book.
So I'd go:
Kittel
Cav, Gav, Ewan, Greipal
Sagan, Bouhanni, Demare, Bennett, Groenewegen, Vivianni, Degenkolb, Kristoff.
With due respect, when are we realistically going to have the opportunity to see all of them head to head ? QS aren't going to send both Kittel & Gav to the TDF; ORS sure as hell aren't sending Ewan; maybe 3/4 of those listed may go but maybe not. How well supported they may be is also pivotal
In any case, any such ranking hinges around the specific terms of reference you choose to set. A pure flat sprint may have one outcome; just tweak it a little and its somewhat different; ask "who is/are the most competitive over the widest variety of finishes and most likely your outcome is turned on its head.
I agree... it's almost like the sagan vs EBH thread...Valv.Piti said:Honestly there really isn't any contest. Not only has Gaviria better top-speed, but is also way more versatile. Not trying to diminish Ewan here, but Gaviria has Sagan-esque potential while Ewan just is fast, pure sprinter who on his day can mix it up with the best.
Valv.Piti said:Honestly there really isn't any contest. Not only has Gaviria better top-speed, but is also way more versatile. Not trying to diminish Ewan here, but Gaviria has Sagan-esque potential while Ewan just is fast, pure sprinter who on his day can mix it up with the best.