One of them is extremely overrated by winning soft stages in his home country race where there is little competition.
This rivalry doesn't exist. Gaviria is in a different class.
This rivalry doesn't exist. Gaviria is in a different class.
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I'll fall somewhere between these two views. Certainly a large percentage of Ewan's wins HAVE been early season and often at home in AUS when he is in peak condition .... and his competition most definitely are not.
He DOES have a GT stage win to his name but then again so do a goodly number of 2nd tier sprinters. He'll need to start racking up some more GT stages if his stature is to increase. For that, I suspect he'll need to find a new team as a major GC campaign PLUS a sprint lead-out train don't go together at the one team ..... and I can't see ORS taking him to more than 1 GT per year. Whilst Gaviria may not be sent to the same GTs as Dan Martin, at those he IS sent to he has the prime focus of his team
Hamburg WAS a good win; the field was strong but not necessarily full strength but he was not first across the line with Bouhanni being later DQd. The issue is which other one days races can he realistically hope to contend at ? Very few, as he's at sea on cobbles; the Ardennes/Lombardie/Luarentian duo/Bretagne/even Cuddles Race are too tough .... and he'll need very soft versions of MSR & Ride London to be there at the finish.
Ewan is very fast but his skill set looks far narrower than that of Gaviria who is more durable in hillier terrain and who has already shown some top 10 results in major cobbles races. Ewan could well have a very productive pro career but I feel that will come primarily from winning GT stages .... and for that he will need to find the right team
jaylew said:
I'll fall somewhere between these two views. Certainly a large percentage of Ewan's wins HAVE been early season and often at home in AUS when he is in peak condition .... and his competition most definitely are not.
He DOES have a GT stage win to his name but then again so do a goodly number of 2nd tier sprinters. He'll need to start racking up some more GT stages if his stature is to increase. For that, I suspect he'll need to find a new team as a major GC campaign PLUS a sprint lead-out train don't go together at the one team ..... and I can't see ORS taking him to more than 1 GT per year. Whilst Gaviria may not be sent to the same GTs as Dan Martin, at those he IS sent to he has the prime focus of his team
Hamburg WAS a good win; the field was strong but not necessarily full strength but he was not first across the line with Bouhanni being later DQd. The issue is which other one days races can he realistically hope to contend at ? Very few, as he's at sea on cobbles; the Ardennes/Lombardie/Luarentian duo/Bretagne/even Cuddles Race are too tough .... and he'll need very soft versions of MSR & Ride London to be there at the finish.
Ewan is very fast but his skill set looks far narrower than that of Gaviria who is more durable in hillier terrain and who has already shown some top 10 results in major cobbles races. Ewan could well have a very productive pro career but I feel that will come primarily from winning GT stages .... and for that he will need to find the right team
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The best is yet to come for Ewan. He is still coming to grips with the chaos of grand tour sprints. In the smaller stage races the sprints are much cleaner and the gaps open up and the competition is not as high. I think Ewan has the ability but he's still learning and Orica are not the sprint team they were. Matthews is no longer there and Gerrans is near the end of his career and with three good young potential GT riders the pendulum has now swung over to the GT side. Sprints and stage wins are not the priority they were before when they didn't have a GT rider who could podium or even make the top 10. Albasini is the type of rider who doesn't need a sprint train and is not a flat sprinter anyway and he is also getting towards the end of his career. Not only is there a generational change happening at Orica but their style of racing is also getting reshaped. They are becoming more like a traditional team instead of a classics, stage win team like a Quickstep.
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Think you summed it up fairly well. ORS's focus for GTs & most Euro stage races has changed and a sprint train just isn't compatable. Not saying that fast guys CAN'T be part of these line-ups but they're most likely going to be classics based riders who have some utility to the main GC focus and aren't requiring their own specific support riders. Going forward, Cort & potentially Edmondson could fill that role whereas Ewan will be an increasingly less comfortable fit
Wouldn't say that ORS is necessarily steering away from classics; if anything they are now seeing some of the riders they have brought through/developed starting to take over from the old hands and become contenders in their own right.
movingtarget said:
Think you summed it up fairly well. ORS's focus for GTs & most Euro stage races has changed and a sprint train just isn't compatable. Not saying that fast guys CAN'T be part of these line-ups but they're most likely going to be classics based riders who have some utility to the main GC focus and aren't requiring their own specific support riders. Going forward, Cort & potentially Edmondson could fill that role whereas Ewan will be an increasingly less comfortable fit
Wouldn't say that ORS is necessarily steering away from classics; if anything they are now seeing some of the riders they have brought through/developed starting to take over from the old hands and become contenders in their own right.
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Gigs_98 said:
I would say this, it was a reversal of the last stage in some ways. Gaviria was clearly stronger than Ewan.
His mistake was to go behind Greipel who didn't have it and had a bad line. Ewan wasn't the strongest, but had the smartest race.
So, to summarize, the smartest always wins:
Stage 2:
Strongest: Gaviria
Smartest: Greipel
Weakest: Ewan
Stage 5:
Strongest: Greipel
Smartest: Gaviria
Weakest: Ewan
Stage 7:
Strongest: Gaviria
Smartest: Ewan
Weakest: Greipel
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Stage 2: Are you 100% sure you watched that stage? :lol:gospina said:
Stage 5: Ewan didn't even contest the sprint. It's okay to criticize him for that but if you do you also have to count Gaviria as the weakest for stage 1.
Stage 7: Ewan was in the wind for 300 meters or so, ofc Gaviria was faster on the last meters, that doesn't mean he was generally stronger than him.
It was a good lead out by Mezgec, though he nearly lost it on the second last corner - Doubt there is much difference in top end speed between Gaviria and Ewan - Reckon Bennett and Groenewegen aren't far behind - Think its exciting we have four up and coming sprinters in the peleton.
Interesting that after the stage Ewan stated 'I finally beat Gaviria' - More battles on their way.
Interesting that after the stage Ewan stated 'I finally beat Gaviria' - More battles on their way.
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Gigs_98 said:
You have a point but it made better story the way I said it hehe.
Here is more quotes. From Gaviria:
"Perder frente a un gran rival, no decepciona tanto".
Gaviria.
(Losing to such a great rival does not disappoint me so much)
#Giro100 #SeHablaCiclismo
And From Greipel:
Andre Greipel @AndreGreipel 7m7 minutes ago
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Thanks @UCI_cycling commissaries for taking care about riders safety with a final like that-NOT...congrats @CalebEwan-fastest won.
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So after Gaviria made some kamikaze moves in the sprint and came like a rocket, he says he didn't have the legs today. Lol, how would it look like if he had those.
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I wouldn't call it excuse, he said that Ewan was the strongest and deserved to win. I like how they all show big respect between each other.
Jspear said:Vroome.exe said:
That's just an excuse.
He had the legs. Obviously there's more than just strong legs in a sprint.
I wouldn't call it excuse, he said that Ewan was the strongest and deserved to win. I like how they all show big respect between each other.
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