Do people just make up stuff now? 26.06.2016 National Championships RR, 11.08.2016 Arctic Race of Norway.. that makes 46 days in my mind, just picking one example.kenk09 said:The longest break Moscon has ever had between races is 15 days. The idea that he was about to embark upon a 55 day race-free period is fanciful in the extreme.
You're right, my bad. I counted that as July. There is Zero evidence to suggest he was about to take that sort of break though. Even as a neo-pro he went to the end of June before that break.hazaran said:Do people just make up stuff now? 26.06.2016 National Championships RR, 11.08.2016 Arctic Race of Norway.. that makes 46 days in my mind, just picking one example.kenk09 said:The longest break Moscon has ever had between races is 15 days. The idea that he was about to embark upon a 55 day race-free period is fanciful in the extreme.
At risk of being flamed, I'm willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt.SafeBet said:Well the whole interview seems full of... unawareness. He actually comes accros like a person that doesn't really understand what racism is and why it is so serious, the kind of person who would benefit from a diversity awareness course (whatever this means).hrotha said:Could you elaborate on what he said? That sounds... interesting.
He repeatedly claims he's not a racist, even that his reaction was not racist because when you're riding at 50km/h you don't think about one's colour of skin.
He says he apologised at the end of the stage and Reza was cool, that he doesn't understand why Reichenbach took it to Twitter and that the whole FDJ team was relaxed when he and Sky went to the team bus for an official apology.
He was surprised when the media talked about the issue, he even says: "the journalists wanted to mount a case. I know it's big news if you say that a rider is racist, but it wasn't like that".
Then the interviewer asks him if he said a racial slur. And he replies: "I said a word, I know I was wrong and that insulting is unacceptable, but regardless of your skin colour."
That's partly what I was getting at with my comment that no one replied to.the delgados said:He said he noticed people in the U.S. are more sensitive to words than dealing with actual racism (i.e. oppression)
deValtos: Apologies for reiterating what you already said.deValtos said:That's partly what I was getting at with my comment that no one replied to.the delgados said:He said he noticed people in the U.S. are more sensitive to words than dealing with actual racism (i.e. oppression)
People (in general) are more interested in punishment than dealing with the actual problem. As I said in my previous post a lot of the suggestions here in my opinion do the exact opposite of constructively reducing racism in the community and just obfuscate it until it rears its ugly head again.
But no, we demand someone must get fired and gosh darn it why are they not fired already! Then I can go home happy and think I have made the world a better place.![]()
Sky have 2 races in May according to their website: The Giro and the Tour of California. He wasn't part of the Giro team and I don't think he was riding Cali.kenk09 said:The longest break Moscon has ever had between races is 15 days. The idea that he was about to embark upon a 55 day race-free period is fanciful in the extreme.
That's a great question.hrotha said:What's your suggestion for "dealing with the actual problem" then?
My previous post for reference:hrotha said:What's your suggestion for "dealing with the actual problem" then?
I hadn't realised May was 6 weeks long.BYOP88 said:Sky have 2 races in May according to their website: The Giro and the Tour of California. He wasn't part of the Giro team and I don't think he was riding Cali.kenk09 said:The longest break Moscon has ever had between races is 15 days. The idea that he was about to embark upon a 55 day race-free period is fanciful in the extreme.
Given that the Dauphiné is a dress rehearsal of the Tour for Sky, I think it is more likely that he is scheduled to ride Suisse or Dirka po Sloveniji.del1962 said:I hadn't realised May was 6 weeks long.BYOP88 said:Sky have 2 races in May according to their website: The Giro and the Tour of California. He wasn't part of the Giro team and I don't think he was riding Cali.kenk09 said:The longest break Moscon has ever had between races is 15 days. The idea that he was about to embark upon a 55 day race-free period is fanciful in the extreme.
Anyway I think the punishment is correct though Sky should have pulled him from Romandie. a written warning in any job is actually extremely serious. Hopefully the diversity training will have educational benefits for him.
While we can't be certain he was probably pencilled in for Dauphinine or Limburg which fall within the 6 weeks, but I guess well never knw but its much easier to be outraged about 6 weeks.
Anyway he has gone down in my estimation and I won't be cheering for him in future races like I don't cheer Albassini
Utter crap. So if you witness a crime, you shouldn't report it because it's not your business?Echoes said:It's quite phenomenal to read Reichenbach should be praised for making it public while first it was not his business and second the two men seem to already had settled it before. Personally, reading Safebet's translation just confirmed my opinion. A young guy who made a mistake, regretted it, properly apologised for it to the victim and his whole team. The thing should be closed by then. The rest is mob justice and can only give my sympathy to a guy who is alone against everybody, against people who judge and are sure of their superior morality. I'd like to jump on the bandwagon right now, actually.
Sky wont race Slovenia.Ricco' said:Given that the Dauphiné is a dress rehearsal of the Tour for Sky, I think it is more likely that he is scheduled to ride Suisse or Dirka po Sloveniji.del1962 said:I hadn't realised May was 6 weeks long.BYOP88 said:Sky have 2 races in May according to their website: The Giro and the Tour of California. He wasn't part of the Giro team and I don't think he was riding Cali.kenk09 said:The longest break Moscon has ever had between races is 15 days. The idea that he was about to embark upon a 55 day race-free period is fanciful in the extreme.
Anyway I think the punishment is correct though Sky should have pulled him from Romandie. a written warning in any job is actually extremely serious. Hopefully the diversity training will have educational benefits for him.
While we can't be certain he was probably pencilled in for Dauphinine or Limburg which fall within the 6 weeks, but I guess well never knw but its much easier to be outraged about 6 weeks.
Anyway he has gone down in my estimation and I won't be cheering for him in future races like I don't cheer Albassini
BYOP88 said:Utter crap. So if you witness a crime, you shouldn't report it because it's not your business?
Do we know for certain that's the order things happened in?Echoes said:BYOP88 said:Utter crap. So if you witness a crime, you shouldn't report it because it's not your business?
He witnessed sincere apologies and a reconciliation between two guys. He appeared cool and relaxed when Moscon came to apologise while then fired him on Twitter. If I believe Moscon's comments translated by Safebet. That makes him a hypo.
Racist abuse in the workplace is everyone's business. If this had been dealt with quietly, a message is sent that it's no big deal and that other people in the future can get away with it. That Moscon's actions have brought public humiliation sends a message that it isn't acceptable and that anyone who wants to do it had better be prepared to be generally thought of as a racist idiot.Echoes said:It's quite phenomenal to read Reichenbach should be praised for making it public while first it was not his business and second the two men seem to already had settled it before