Re: Re:
Maaaaaaaarten said:
RedheadDane said:
and to me there really isn't that big a difference between hurling a - apparently pretty serious - racial slur at someone in a fit of anger, and deliberately pushing someone off their bike in a fit of anger.
Things are getting kind of off-topic now, but you really don't see a big difference between saying something offensive and physically assaulting somebody?
Whatever happened to do good old cliche "sticks and stones (and being pushed into the gutter while riding a bike at a high speed) may beak my bones, but words will never break me".........
If you can't control your tongue when angry, you can certainly get into trouble, but when you can't control your hands when angry, you'll generally end up in jail in due time (and rightly so).
If what's being said is as severe as racially abusing someone, then it's as bad - or even worse - as physically assaulting someone.
That old saying is *** *** anyway. A broken bone will mend, a hurtful comment can stay with you for life.
rata de sentina said:
RedheadDane said:
Froome pushing Aru for something that just happened isn't carrying a grudge, it's simply being mad about something.
It's entirely possible that, whatever caused their - supposed - argument, Moscon got more angry at Reichenbach than he would've gotten at any other person because of some deep-seated resentment towards Reichenbach after the racist incident. I just still don't find it very likely that Moscon - whose reaction after returning from his six-week suspension was basically "I've moved on." - would just randomly go over to Reichenbach and push him off his bike.
What does Reichenbach even intend to achieve by claiming it was because of the racist incident?
Your argument makes no sense whatsoever. For a start Moscon's reaction wasn't "I've moved on". It was clear he felt hard done by but was forced to "move on". If anything his attitude was churlish rather than contrite. Now you are making up some imaginary altercation between the two for some other reason as a more plausible explanation than a well known reason for a grudge!
Really?
"I don't have much to say. My conscience is clear, I accepted the punishment, I took my break,” he said.
Asked if he had any regrets about what happened, Moscon said: "I didn't kill anyone and the accusations are not completely founded. But I'd prefer to not talk about it anymore."
So he accepted his punishment, and said he'd prefer not to talk about it anymore, yet several months afterwards used it as a reason to cause Reichenbach to crash, thus making everyone talk about it?
To me it just seems more likely that Moscon got mad at Reichenbach for something that might have happened mere moments ago, than for something that happened several months ago. However, the old incident might very well have been an underlying factor in Moscon reacting as extremely as he did.
Sure, Reichenbach doesn't seem to think there could be other reasons for why Moscon might've been angry with him, but just like Moscon and Reichenbach clearly experienced whatever caused the crash very differently; with Reichenbach feeling that Moscon deliberately threw himself against him, and Moscon not even realising how close to Reichenbach he was getting.
Likewise it's possible that something might have happened just moments before the crash which Reichenbach hardly even noticed, but which ticked Moscon off, and - due to resentment over the racist incident caused him to react much more violently than he would had it been any other rider.
Basically whatever resentment Moscon might have held towards Reichenbach is gunpowder, then
something might have happened which set Moscon off, like putting a match to gunpowder.
At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what caused Moscon to react as he did. Shouldn't change the punishment, so I'm just curious why Reichenbach is so convinced the racist incident was the reason. If anything it sure makes it look like the one holding a grudge is Reichenbach, even though the one with the biggest reason to hold a grudge is Reza...
(You'd think my computer would've learned to spell 'Moscon' and 'Reichenbach' by now...)