THE INDEPENDENT COMMISSION REPORT #1

[veji11]

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It's pretty easy to be cynical about doping and corruption in sports these days.

I think being cynical is the default position nowadays for sport. Heck the federations have created that default with their corruption from IOC all the way down, taking FIFA, UEFA, IAAF, to a minority sport like cycling.

It appears to be a sanitised version of organised crime. No one gets killed but they sure can ruin your life if you dont play by their rules.

Exactly, doping is but a smallish part of the problem. The main issue is that sport federations are in more cases than not utterly corrupt gerontocracies where people hold each other by the balls because they know of each other's turpitudes. The main problem is that whereas this was the case 30 years ago already in a general context of modest money flows, the issue is magnified when you have GINORMOUS amounts of money involved. Fifa, IOC and co are the equivalent of some underdevelopped ploutocracies suddenly awash with oil money... just completely rotten.

 

[Catwhoorg]

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Wada is investigating these claims separately.

Then I expect the following trend to continue.

My first thought was why is an Irish TV company selling popcorn.
Then I realised it was ready to eat.

Got to save those 3 min in the micowave.

 

[gooner]

And so he speaks.

Paul Kelso ‏@pkelso 3m3 minutes ago
Russian sports minister Vitaly Mutko says they may withdraw funding from anti-doping in response to WADA report

 

[Benotti69]

The Lausanne Laboratory destroyed samples. Tells us how dirty the whole shebang is!

 

[Jacques de Molay]

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It appears to be a sanitised version of organised crime. No one gets killed but they sure can ruin your life if you dont play by their rules.

Considering who we're dealing with, even that assessment may (sadly) be optimistic.

 

[hrotha]

We've been over this before. You can't just conjure up some whistleblowers, and not all cheaters produce evidence equally.

 

[Benotti69]

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It appears to be a sanitised version of organised crime. No one gets killed but they sure can ruin your life if you dont play by their rules.

Considering who we're dealing with, even that assessment may (sadly) be optimistic.

True, it would not surprise me if people involved 'disappeared'.

 

[gooner]

I'm currently reading the report and came across the part that was earlier discussed.

 

[thehog]

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Wada is investigating these claims separately.

Then I expect the following trend to continue.

My first thought was why is an Irish TV company selling popcorn.
Then I realised it was ready to eat.

Got to save those 3 min in the micowave.

I was scratching my head as well! Good news of pop corn sales!

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

If WADA (not the IAAF, but WADA) has essentially declared no confidence in Russia's National Drug Testing Agency (Rusada), and any IOC sport must operate under the auspices of WADA, then how can any IOC associated sport verify the result of any event taking place in Russia or the performance of any Russian resident subject to Rusada out-of-competition testing?

 

[Benotti69]

Russia is just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[BullsFan22]

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Russia is just the tip of the iceberg.

Any more details come out?

 

[TheSpud]

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"independent"? right. More like "make Russia the scapegoat in order to preserve the image that western countries are cleans"

not unlike the propaganda we see mainstream media about politics by the way.

What do you suggest would make it independent?

 

[gooner]

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Russia is just the tip of the iceberg.

Any more details come out?

The second report it seems.

 

[The Hitch]

What are the chances Russia actually gets banned from Rio (in athletics)? There's a lot of sensationalist headlines about it happening but when ever you click the link you see it's only being suggested.

 

[The Hitch]

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We've been over this before. You can't just conjure up some whistleblowers, and not all cheaters produce evidence equally.

There's been chances before and nothing done.

With Puerto for example. There were blood samples and whistleblowers, and all that was allowed to die down.

Was there a Wada investigation into that?

I'm with you that Russia should get no leniency just because others also do it, but at the same time I dont think it's just a case of Russia being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[thehog]

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What are the chances Russia actually gets banned from Rio (in athletics)? There's a lot of sensationalist headlines about it happening but when ever you click the link you see it's only being suggested.

I can’t see it happening. Not going to cut off a TV audience that large! How much do TV rights cost, $300 million? No chance. Also, you don’t want Russia going rouge and setting the hackers onto the other nations to find out what they’re really up to... or maybe that already has occurred?

I expect to see a Cookson styled "Astana" reforms package. A joke in other words.

Edit, the US paid $775m for Sochi and $1.23bn for Rio. Assume Russia is playing similar amounts and their is a clause that Russia have to be competing for them to pay the IOC.

NBC will fork over $775 million for the 2014 winter games in Sochi, Russia, and another $1.23 billion for the 2016 summer games in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.

http://www.adweek.com/news/television/update-nbc-bids-438-billion-olympic-gold-132319

 

[the sceptic]

when they say Russia needs to clean up, what they really mean is Russia needs to get better at doping.

Remember that Russia actually tests their athletes quite a lot. Far more frequently than the UKAD for example. Hopefully they will learn their lesson that if you want a clean and credible sport you need to do as little testing as possible.

 

[thehog]

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when they say Russia needs to clean up, what they really mean is Russia needs to get better at doping.

Remember that Russia actually tests their athletes quite a lot. Far more frequently than the UKAD for example. Hopefully they will learn their lesson that if you want a clean and credible sport you need to do as little testing as possible.

Agreed. UKAD showing the way. It’s better to not have any samples that need to be destroyed rather than destroying them after you take the test!

 

[Benotti69]

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when they say Russia needs to clean up, what they really mean is Russia needs to get better at doping.

Remember that Russia actually tests their athletes quite a lot. Far more frequently than the UKAD for example. Hopefully they will learn their lesson that if you want a clean and credible sport you need to do as little testing as possible.

Yeah but then how do Federation Presidents make money if they do no testing?

Coe aint gonna be happy on just a wage and his Nike kickbacks. You know being a Lord requires cash!!!!!

 

[Benotti69]

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Russia is just the tip of the iceberg.

Any more details come out?

Maybe if they looked at the 3 countries who finished above Russia in the 2012 medal table....

 

[the sceptic]

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when they say Russia needs to clean up, what they really mean is Russia needs to get better at doping.

Remember that Russia actually tests their athletes quite a lot. Far more frequently than the UKAD for example. Hopefully they will learn their lesson that if you want a clean and credible sport you need to do as little testing as possible.

Agreed. UKAD showing the way. It’s better to not have any samples that need to be destroyed rather than destroying them after you take the test!

Funny that the two countries that dope the most also do the most testing!

 

[Cake]

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It appears to be a sanitised version of organised crime. No one gets killed but they sure can ruin your life if you dont play by their rules.

Considering who we're dealing with, even that assessment may (sadly) be optimistic.

True, it would not surprise me if people involved 'disappeared'.

As this is Russia we're talking about, I too would not be surprised if people had sudden "heart attacks", or "threw themselves off buildings". Read Red Notice by Bill Browder if you want an example from the business world.

 

[doperhopper]

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Funny that the two countries that dope the most also do the most testing!

From the table it looks like the core of the russian problem is around that incredibly tiny amount of OOC blood tests (wrt. other categories), just 50, come on.

 

[gooner]

Even after the ARD documentary, they were still up to their eyeballs at it in Saransk as recently as June.