The Jai Hindley thread

[Cookster15]

Hindley is the second best GC rider in the current Bora line-up. For example, Roglic was the second best GC ride at Jumbo in 2023, so he was sent to the Giro to effectively spread the resources - Hindley at the TDF will not be the difference between Roglic winning or losing the TDF.

Maybe he will prove to be the second best GC rider in the current Bora line-up but that is not certain? Hindley is 27 Roglic is already 34. After what he showed at the 2022 Giro at 26, it is unlikely we have seen the best of Jai Hindley.

Didn't he say that last years Tour was a lot of stress to him?

Hindley crashed on stage 14 and battled on to 7th on GC in Paris - 4 minutes down on the podium. The day before to Grand Colombier was indicative of his level compared to the big two. 15 seconds down on Pogacar and 11 seconds down on Vingegaard.

Tour de France 2023 Stage 13 results

MichaÅ Kwiatkowski is the winner of Tour de France 2023 Stage 13, before Maxim Van Gils and Tadej PogaÄar. Jonas Vingegaard was leader in GC.

www.procyclingstats.com

I still think the jury is out. But with a good prep it is not inconceivable Hindley could be at least as good as Roglic in the mountains in 2025. The fly in the ointment is his mind. That his team brought in Roglic at a time when he had such potential upside and had already delivered them their first ever grand tour victory would really irk me.

 

[Froome]

Maybe he will prove to be the second best GC rider in the current Bora line-up but that is not certain? Hindley is 27 Roglic is already 34. After what he showed at the 2022 Giro at 25, it is unlikely we have seen the best of Jai Hindley.


Hindley crashed on stage 14 and battled on to 7th on GC in Paris - 4 minutes down on the podium. The day before to Grand Colombier was indicative of his level compared to the big two. 15 seconds down on Pogacar and 11 seconds down on Vingegaard.

Tour de France 2023 Stage 13 results

MichaÅ Kwiatkowski is the winner of Tour de France 2023 Stage 13, before Maxim Van Gils and Tadej PogaÄar. Jonas Vingegaard was leader in GC.

www.procyclingstats.com

I still think the jury is out. But with a good prep it is not inconceivable Hindley could be at least as good as Roglic in the mountains in 2025. The fly in the ointment is his mind. That his team brought in Roglic at a time when he had such potential upside and had already delivered them their first ever grand tour victory would really irk me.

If hindley returns to his best shape he can perfectly be as good as Roglic in the high mountains, i don't think Roglic showed until today a superior level on that scenario in stages with multiple climbs, or climbs with long duration.

In the TTs and final muritos, of course roglic is a lot superior.

The performances that Hindley did on piancavallo, passo fedaia, stelvio stage during the giro, were no joke.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Guy needs to get out of Bora, won a Grand Tour at 26 after coming 2nd 2 years before, and was looking decent last year before crashing, now he's being treated like a promising Under-23 who can ply his craft sitting in a mountain train.

As previously said, the guys best days are still ahead of him, and should be in a protected role considering Roglic can't beat Vingegaard 1 vs 1.

 

[Bolder]

Hindley is the second best GC rider in the current Bora line-up. For example, Roglic was the second best GC ride at Jumbo in 2023, so he was sent to the Giro to effectively spread the resources - Hindley at the TDF will not be the difference between Roglic winning or losing the TDF.

Again, see my point above. Send him as a protected rider, that will help his confidence and give Bora a buffer if Roglic's difficulties staying on his bike in France continue, or if he's just not good enough he can be a domestique.

Anyway, if bora didn't send Hindley to the Tour they'd be accused of not going all-in to support Roglic.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Not at the Tour 2024, there Roglič will be sole leader. Obviously it's still on Roglič, to earn this role and to justify it.

Debates on how Bora could have done it without Roglič and similar. In my opinion not in the 2024 season. That is on why they signed Roglič in the first place.

Now Cian couldn't cope with this. It might happen some other rider to leave Bora because of it too. Personally i doubt that. Ayuso and Almeida won't leave UAE, due to working for Pogi, at the Tour 2024. That is if Pogi will earn and justify it.

So lets not be over dramatic. And lets not forget, Tour 2024, all Bora riders will need to earn and justify their place in the team. Including Roglič.

 

[Anderis]

Hindley at the TDF will not be the difference between Roglic winning or losing the TDF.

That is a thing that you never know for sure until the race happens.

 

[Gargamel35]

True and there is another thing. Roglič brings an extra gun for Bora in Tour. A big gun actually. He makes the whole team a lot better, he brings extra eyes from fans and sponsors, he can bring a better result. All that together brings more money for the whole team and better payday for each rider or better training equipment/opportunities later on. That is even without winning it or being close to win it. But if all stars align and Bora actually wins this thing...everyone in Bora will benefit from it a lot.

That's why every GT winning rider gives money back to the team, that's why they only talk about the other riders from the team. Because they matter and i hope they feel the same and are all in for their leader/s.

 

[Netserk]

Time to resurrect this thread.

Interested to know what the Forum thinks of Hindley's chances with Roglic moved into the team? I think he could be an X factor, a bit like CSC-Saxo Bank when they won the Tour with Sastra when everyone was looking at Andy and Frank. But that would take some luck and Pogacar and Vingegaard are on another planet not yet explored by Jai - maybe now even his own teammate?

When Hindley won the Giro it was impressive - easily beating Carapaz and Landa (Carapaz beat Roglic in 2019 Giro). But Hindley will need to improve on that level. Can he? and if he can, is that enough?

No chance. Just recall him in yellow on Tourmalet when he was dropped like a brick.

 

[Gigs_98]

No chance. Just recall him in yellow on Tourmalet when he was dropped like a brick.

Yeah, if there ever was a Tour where he could have been a factor it was last year when he was giftes a few minutes. The fact that even then he wasn't even close to becoming a factor for the win tells you everything you need to know.

 

[Netserk]

When Kelderman took over, it took him 500 m to drop Hindley, 4 km from the top.

If hindley returns to his best shape he can perfectly be as good as Roglic in the high mountains, i don't think Roglic showed until today a superior level on that scenario in stages with multiple climbs, or climbs with long duration.

In the TTs and final muritos, of course roglic is a lot superior.

The performances that Hindley did on piancavallo, passo fedaia, stelvio stage during the giro, were no joke.

Rogla wouldn't be dropped before Kuss even started pulling lol.

 

[Froome]

When Kelderman took over, it took him 500 m to drop Hindley, 4 km from the top.

Rogla wouldn't be dropped before Kuss even started pulling lol.

I think hindley was cooked after being in the breakaway on the previous day. I don't think he could follow vingegaard and pogacar, but he could had done a bit better than what he did.

Like i said, i don't think think the difference between roglic and hindley in long climbs is that high, Roglic would also get dropped on tourmalet, but off course overall, Roglic is a better rider.

 

[Remy55]

Yeah, if there ever was a Tour where he could have been a factor it was last year when he was giftes a few minutes. The fact that even then he wasn't even close to becoming a factor for the win tells you everything you need to know.

Hindley was injured after his crash.

 

[Gigs_98]

Hindley was injured after his crash.

You mean the crash that happened when he was already 3 minutes down?

 

[yaco]

That is a thing that you never know for sure until the race happens.

I can say Hindley will not be the difference - He's not going to drop the big guns in the climbing stages .

 

[movingtarget]

Hindley will probably be back to the Giro in 2025. He deserves leadership in at least one GT per season.

 

[yaco]

Hindley will probably be back to the Giro in 2025. He deserves leadership in at least one GT per season.

In different colours.

 

[Netserk]

After a quiet Dauphiné, he looks so ready for the Tour. I have great expectations for him, I think he will be the strongest co-leader/super dom in the third week.

 

[MLKarlos]

After a quiet Dauphiné, he looks so ready for the Tour. I have great expectations for him, I think he will be the strongest co-leader/super dom in the third week.

Here is a nice interview with him:

Jai Hindley: We’ve got a pretty sick team for the Tour de France

Australian signs two-year contract extension with the German team as focus turns to Primož Roglič and the Tour de France

dnlbenson.substack.com

He says that he didn’t do too much the last weeks. Not sure if that’s true 😜.
I really hope he finds his best form

 

[Mayomaniac]

When Kelderman took over, it took him 500 m to drop Hindley, 4 km from the top.

Rogla wouldn't be dropped before Kuss even started pulling lol.

After being the breakaway all day one day earlier.

 

[Red Rick]

After being the breakaway all day one day earlier.

Honestly judging by the fact that he was among the first of the peloton on Cambasque, he just decided he was gonna blow up eventually if Vingegaard and Pogacar went at it so he better stop himself from blowing himself up completely

 

[Cookster15]

Hopefully Netserk is right. After Hindley's impressive 2022 Giro win he needs a solid performance to consolidate what he achieved back then. Obviously he is playing second fiddle to Roglic at Bora, but if the captain slips, Jai has an opportunity to show us what he is made of.

 

[Extinction]

Hopefully Netserk is right. After Hindley's impressive 2022 Giro win he needs a solid performance to consolidate what he achieved back then. Obviously he is playing second fiddle to Roglic at Bora, but if the captain slips, Jai has an opportunity to show us what he is made of.

Sans TT

 

[Cookster15]

You mean the crash that happened when he was already 3 minutes down?

3 minutes down on the big 2 but ahead of everyone else.

I don't think anyone was suggesting Hindley would rival Pogacar and Vingegaard. The fact is when he crashed on stage 14 he was 3rd on GC and ahead of riders like the Yates twins and Carlos Rodriguez. The Yates twins and Rodriguez finished 3rd, 4th and 5th in Paris.

This year if his form is good IMO he can be at least as good as Roglic in the mountains. Obviously he will lose a lot of time in the TT, but Hindley's TT showed improvement since he won the Giro. At last year's Dauphine he lost under a minute to Vingegaard over 31km. He actually gained nearly a minute on Rodriguez that day. So the potential for a very good TdF result is there. Much might depend upon the team dynamics with Roglic.

 

[dercuforever]

Hindley is my secret podium pick.
I can see him able to follow anyone not name Pogacar or Vingegaard.

 

[movingtarget]

Hindley is my secret podium pick.
I can see him able to follow anyone not name Pogacar or Vingegaard.

Be surprised if he podiumed. Top 10 probably depending on how deep he goes for Roglic and how he TT's. Switching off between mountain stages will probably help him and Roglic especially in the third week. The team won't care too much about his overall result as that is not the role he was selected for. If he performs well in the mountains I hope he gets another shot at the Giro next season.

Roglic is well positioned to do well in this race as Pogacar is attempting the double and Vingegaard has had a lot of problems pre race. He may never get a better opportunity for the rest of his career to win the Tour but he will have to be at or near his best throughout.