The media's contribution to the Armstrong Lie

[Runitout]

Tomalaris can not help himself!

So Danilo signs with Katusha. I give him 6 months! Riders like him just can't help themselves...

What does he mean by, "riders like him?' Classics stars who go on to win GTs, or professional cyclists in general?

 

[auscyclefan94]

What does he mean by, "riders like him?' Classics stars who go on to win GTs, or professional cyclists in general?

He means guys who have lied and cheated in the past.

 

[Runitout]

I felt like I was Barrack Obama after becoming the leader of the US.

I'll bet you did.

Instead of always just mentioning that they have 'dirt' on Evans why don't you come out and say what they said. Otherwise, get lost!

btw, I find it funny that you trust a guy who's explanation for having testosterone in his sample is that he had sex with his wife before peeing into the sample. I don't think he is the most reliable source.

Methinks you miss the central point. How can you blindly trust a rider, and then criticise others for blindly trusting another rider? He's saying to you, 'before you make a dill of yourself trusting a rider and telling the world how wonderful he is, maybe do a bit of due diligence first?' It's not his job, because he's not also telling the world how badly Evans is cheated by all those dopers.

 

[Sasquatch]

I felt like I was Barrack Obama after becoming the leader of the US.


Instead of always just mentioning that they have 'dirt' on Evans why don't you come out and say what they said. Otherwise, get lost!

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Evans MTB team was also the biggest doping team in the world. Check the history, do the research.

He was also part of T-Mobile who had a program from 1995.

 

[blackcat]

Instead of always just mentioning that they have 'dirt' on Evans why don't you come out and say what they said. Otherwise, get lost!

btw, I find it funny that you trust a guy who's explanation for having testosterone in his sample is that he had sex with his wife before peeing into the sample. I don't think he is the most reliable source.

I thought I told you.

My mail came thru the symposium on doping what was hosted in Gelongs at the World Champs. Thomas Frei was encouraged to get on it, from no other than your man.

Re: Leukemans. Well, he was given the testo by the Italian doc that Lotto hired to sate your guy, who pressed for him.

Re: Rominger, if you need me to background his agent, you are beyond help dude.

Also, there was a bit of fuzzy mail on Ferrari circa Telekom time. Dutch journo told me he had confirmed, then somewhere it got published on a German site. I doubted that, thought it was conflated w/ his countrymen, Michael Rogers, who was confirmed member of Ferrari's athlete suite.

If you think he is clean, good on you. How one could ever think a pro cyclist at the pointy end of the field is clean, I would not know. There is enuff mail contravening your pov to show you for the fanboi u are, blindly nationalist jingoist muppet.

 

[Ferminal]

I thought I told you.
Also, there was a bit of fuzzy mail on Ferrari circa Telekom time. Dutch journo told me he had confirmed, then somewhere it got published on a German site. I doubted that, thought it was conflated w/ his countrymen, Michael Rogers, who was confirmed member of Ferrari's athlete suite.

Fuzzy is the correct word... I give him the benefit of the doubt on that occasion.

 

[flicker]

The likes of Ligget @ Sherwen et al are a complicit part of the Armstrong scam.
There not jounalists, there salesmen.

Welcome to the world of sport.

 

[Benotti69]

Fuzzy is the correct word... I give him the benefit of the doubt on that occasion.

acf94 might want to give more

 

[bicing]

Bravo ACF for sticking it to Mike Tomalaris. It is encouraging that people are pressuring the journo's to learn more about the topic they are covering.

Mike Tomalaris, get an account an explain yourself!

Blackcat, could your CE doping allegations be in a separate thread, I'm very interested to know what goss you've got. Look forward to reading and discussing.

 

[Darryl Webster]

Welcome to the world of sport.

Yes, been that way for a long, long time.
However..while agreeing 100% what I dont get is why your so disparaging about those who would strive to make sport something more esoteric and of real significanse as an exeplifier of human spirit and ethic?
It might seem a lofty aim , an unachievable one perhaps but if we all took the view of cynical observer ( of both sides of the debate) then what we`d realy be saying is we should refrain from that most basic of human aspirations , Self Improvement (collective) and fester in muck.

 

[Granville57]

Forgive me if this has been brought up already, but it would seem to fit this thread.
First there was this insight (from a different thread):

I started dealing with twitter in October 2007, about the time Social Media companies were starting to reach out to his Foundation, trying to get them interested in using this new form of communication.

And then we have the revealing of the latest hideous jersey
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/radioshack-unveils-new-kit-for-2011

With the latests sponsor: TWITTER! Yeah everybody!

Once again this would point to the insulting transparency of all this. LA embraced twitter as a way to circumnavigate the ("lame stream") media because, ya' know, they just didn't "get it." This really kicked into high gear around his 2.0 ride of the Giro.

He resorted to Twitter for "the fans", his "followers." Other riders soon followed the irresistable trend. It was all so much fun!
But now we see that LA was nothing but a professional "tweeter" the whole time. Everything he does is self-serving veiled behind the guise of, "just being true to himself." (my quote)

At some point early on, some agreement was made between he and the head Tweets as to how this would all unfold. "Oh look, LA's got over 2.7 million followers now. We would just love to support him, and his team, and awareness"

"Since the inception of Team RadioShack, we've relied heavily on Twitter to help keep our fans around the world updated and engaged, so we're excited to embrace them on our 2011 kit," said Lee Applbaum executive vice president and chief marketing officer for RadioShack.

But wait! What about Livestrong.com/.org/.gag? No followers there? Just not getting the message out well enough?

No corporate-speak going on there at all. Nope.

That stupid twitter logo still doesn't make the jersey any less fugly.

(Do I hate? Why, yes! Thanks for asking.)

 

[BotanyBay]

Anyone who knows anything about the interactive media industry knows that Twitter initially (and quite intelligently) paid MANY athletes and celebrities to use it in the first place. Pretty much everyone else using it now is a "me too" situation.

It's really no different than "instant press release".

 

[AngusW]

A little off topic, but I watched some of SBS's coverage of the Tour back in 2001. Mike Tomolaris was commenting on pictures of Armstrong boarding a helicopter to get from a mountain top finish to his hotel. Tomolaris's words were: "World class service for the Tour's world class athlete."

Ever so slightly disrespectful to the other world class athletes in the Tour, but it does show that MT has been a fan of Armstrong for a decade or so.

 

[thehog]

A little off topic, but I watched some of SBS's coverage of the Tour back in 2001. Mike Tomolaris was commenting on pictures of Armstrong boarding a helicopter to get from a mountain top finish to his hotel. Tomolaris's words were: "World class service for the Tour's world class athlete."

Ever so slightly disrespectful to the other world class athletes in the Tour, but it does show that MT has been a fan of Armstrong for a decade or so.

And think what took place on that helicopter ride. World class blood.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I thought I told you.

My mail came thru the symposium on doping what was hosted in Gelongs at the World Champs. Thomas Frei was encouraged to get on it, from no other than your man.

Re: Leukemans. Well, he was given the testo by the Italian doc that Lotto hired to sate your guy, who pressed for him.

Re: Rominger, if you need me to background his agent, you are beyond help dude.

Also, there was a bit of fuzzy mail on Ferrari circa Telekom time. Dutch journo told me he had confirmed, then somewhere it got published on a German site. I doubted that, thought it was conflated w/ his countrymen, Michael Rogers, who was confirmed member of Ferrari's athlete suite.

If you think he is clean, good on you. How one could ever think a pro cyclist at the pointy end of the field is clean, I would not know. There is enuff mail contravening your pov to show you for the fanboi u are, blindly nationalist jingoist muppet.

So did Leukemans tell you about Evans or did fired Lotto doctor Sam Vermiere tell you this information? So all we have here is two possibly three people who are no better or worse than evans claiming that they have information on Evans and other riders but not willing to tell anyone? Btter luck next time...

Evans MTB team was also the biggest doping team in the world. Check the history, do the research.

He was also part of T-Mobile who had a program from 1995.

Riders inside the T - Mobile team have said that they stopped doping for a while because they wanted to try and ride clean. All anyone has is very vivid pieces of evidence that he is guilty by association. That makes every rider in the peleton guilty!

I'll bet you did.



Methinks you miss the central point. How can you blindly trust a rider, and then criticise others for blindly trusting another rider? He's saying to you, 'before you make a dill of yourself trusting a rider and telling the world how wonderful he is, maybe do a bit of due diligence first?' It's not his job, because he's not also telling the world how badly Evans is cheated by all those dopers.

I am not blindly trusting a rider. I cautiously support him knowing their is a possibility that he is a cheat. And until that day I will support him. Now other than guilt by association I see nothing else. No proper allegations that say 'Evans doped'. I am still awaiting what 'dirt' Leukemans and Frei have on Evans. Until then blackcat should shut up because otherwise all what blackcat is saying is complete heresay rubbish. I could say that I knew people who worked with Evans who know he is a clean rider. That is how absurd blackcat's claims are. If you are not going to go into specifics then don't bring it up at all.

I know the history about Rominger. I would like to think you know the history about many top pro cyclist in that time anyway.

 

[danjo007]

this is the place for stupid comments. let them continue!

 

[Granville57]

A little off topic, but I watched some of SBS's coverage of the Tour back in 2001. Mike Tomolaris was commenting on pictures of Armstrong boarding a helicopter to get from a mountain top finish to his hotel. Tomolaris's words were: "World class service for the Tour's world class athlete."

Ever so slightly disrespectful to the other world class athletes in the Tour, but it does show that MT has been a fan of Armstrong for a decade or so.

I'm glad someone brought that up!
I've long wondered about a similar passage in the prologue to Walsh's Lance to Landis.
Referring to the 1999 Tour, and "the day after the rest day" on the Pyrenean stage to Piau-Engaly [stage 15]:

That evening Armstrong traveled by helicopter from the top of the mountain to the team hotel.

The first time I read that it seemed a bit curious. Is something like that ever provided by the Tour organizers—or any other pertinent entity for that matter—to the race leader? It's not a rhetorical question. I really don't know. But it seemed odd considering this was before any significant fame and fortune had befallen the mighty Texan.

So what's up with the James Bond treatment?

 

[Nick777]

Evans MTB team was also the biggest doping team in the world. Check the history, do the research.

He was also part of T-Mobile who had a program from 1995.

I always wondered why Evans was stonewalled when he was at T-Mobile. It seemed pretty odd to me that a guy like Evans was left out of the Tour, when his strengths would have helped Ullrich more than anyone else on the team.

 

[Nick777]

I thought I told you.

My mail came thru the symposium on doping what was hosted in Gelongs at the World Champs. Thomas Frei was encouraged to get on it, from no other than your man.

Re: Leukemans. Well, he was given the testo by the Italian doc that Lotto hired to sate your guy, who pressed for him.

Re: Rominger, if you need me to background his agent, you are beyond help dude.

Also, there was a bit of fuzzy mail on Ferrari circa Telekom time. Dutch journo told me he had confirmed, then somewhere it got published on a German site. I doubted that, thought it was conflated w/ his countrymen, Michael Rogers, who was confirmed member of Ferrari's athlete suite.

If you think he is clean, good on you. How one could ever think a pro cyclist at the pointy end of the field is clean, I would not know. There is enuff mail contravening your pov to show you for the fanboi u are, blindly nationalist jingoist muppet.

An impeccable source once told me that Mapei were shocked when Evans took the lead at the Giro in 2002, because 'He's not on anything yet'...

 

[blackcat]

I always wondered why Evans was stonewalled when he was at T-Mobile. It seemed pretty odd to me that a guy like Evans was left out of the Tour, when his strengths would have helped Ullrich more than anyone else on the team.

Kloden, Kessler, Gonchar, Botero, Sevilla, Guerini, Vino, et al.

Ullrich had more than enuff help.

My Frei info was the only proper mail I have. Other stuff is publicly sourced. And the Frei info was not supposed to be divulged.

ACF, this aint about Evans. It is about cycling. Anyone, read that, A N Y O N E, any rider at pointy end of field, race in, race out, cannot do it w/out exogenous hormones and help. It is not a polemic on your man. Quickly better get your head out'a' your a$$.

 

[blackcat]

An impeccable source once told me that Mapei were shocked when Evans took the lead at the Giro in 2002, because 'He's not on anything yet'...

I could well believe that, always thought he was clean myself, 'til I awakened and came into conflicting info.

 

[blackcat]

I'm glad someone brought that up!
I've long wondered about a similar passage in the prologue to Walsh's Lance to Landis.
Referring to the 1999 Tour, and "the day after the rest day" on the Pyrenean stage to Piau-Engaly [stage 15]:

The first time I read that it seemed a bit curious. Is something like that ever provided by the Tour organizers—or any other pertinent entity for that matter—to the race leader? It's not a rhetorical question. I really don't know. But it seemed odd considering this was before any significant fame and fortune had befallen the mighty Texan.

So what's up with the James Bond treatment?
Was this Weisel's money at work from the get-go?
Honest question.

pretty easy to transfuse 1km up w/ no gendarmes busting u eh?

 

[auscyclefan94]

Kloden, Kessler, Gonchar, Botero, Sevilla, Guerini, Vino, et al.

Ullrich had more than enuff help.

My Frei info was the only proper mail I have. Other stuff is publicly sourced. And the Frei info was not supposed to be divulged.

ACF, this aint about Evans. It is about cycling. Anyone, read that, A N Y O N E, any rider at pointy end of field, race in, race out, cannot do it w/out exogenous hormones and help. It is not a polemic on your man. Quickly better get your head out'a' your ***.

Until you go into detail on the Frei accusations, I will not pay any attention to you. You may have your sources but you'd be surprised what others know.

Your information is hollow. If the Leukemans infor is about a comment from the doctor fired from lotto then I don't think that implicates evans until he says 'Evans doped'.

 

[Granville57]

pretty easy to transfuse 1km up w/ no gendarmes busting u eh?

Maybe he was simply looking for more "altitude" training then!

 

[blackcat]

Until you go into detail on the Frei accusations, I will not pay any attention to you. You may have your sources but you'd be surprised what others know.

Your information is hollow. If the Leukemans infor is about a comment from the doctor fired from lotto then I don't think that implicates evans until he says 'Evans doped'.

u are after plausible deniability that reaches about 0.2 on the StrongArm fanboi richter scale.