The media's contribution to the Armstrong Lie

[Darryl Webster]

Liggets at it again.. rolling out the "never tested positive" line
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/armstrong-up-there-with-ali/story-e6frg7mf-1225988026292

"He was meticulous in his race preparation no matter where he raced, be it the Tour de France or here in South Australia at the Santos Tour Down Under," he said.

"Sadly, there are those critics who will remain forever sceptical that drugs played a part in his seven Tour de France wins and that is very sad.

While there had been rumours about Armstrong and drug use, not once had he tested positive to drugs, Liggett said.

"The other thing that strikes you in meeting the man for the first time is the aura he creates," he said. "He is also only too aware of the critics, but he remains a terrific character who will now go on to find new challenges in life in addition to the wonderful work and the hundreds of millions of dollars he's helped raise through the Livestrong Foundation in the fight to find a cure for cancer."

To Paul Sherwen, Liggett's television co-commentator, who rode alongside Armstrong for the Motorola team, the Texan remains a true champion.

"For me, Lance will forever be remembered the most for the way in which he went about winning his fifth Tour de France, an achievement not even the great Eddy Merckx achieved," he said.

"As we now know he went on to win seven, but it in some ways I will best remember him for the fifth, a race I believe he went about a little too relaxed, but once he got going he showed his great fighting qualities to dig deep.

"In the pantheon of world sport, Armstrong is right up there with Tiger Woods, Roger Federer and Muhammad Ali because of the way he went about winning."

It`s hard to reconsile the words of both these people with having met both.
Theres just utter garbage and they both know it.
They simply aint that stupid.
Sold to the highest bider, scum bags the pair of em.

 

[peloton]

I am fairly new to this forum and have not read much in the clinic..

A friendly advise, you should really read the clinic more often.

 

[Angliru]

One of my favorite helicopter stories comes from one of Bob Roll's books.
I do apologize for a quote containing the "F" word sorry:

You should be apologizing for quoting Bob Roll!

 

[bobbins]

It's just amazing that until Armstrong came along, no one ever went and had a look at the course they were going to race on. Never.

I am pretty sure I rode out to a few courses I was going to race on when I was a junior but must have been mistaken.

All hail Lance for showing us the way.

Until he came along no one else had even thought of training properly either, or using team tactics.

I just hope that it is soon revealed what he really brought to the sport, hush money, paid off officials and doping under the radar keeping ahead of the testers with help from the governing body and of course the bullying of whistleblowers. Good riddance to him, the ****.

 

[Siriuscat]

More media nonsense but....it would appear that Phil and Paul are holding the party line.....

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/armstrong-up-there-with-ali/story-e6frg7mf-1225988026292

 

[auscyclefan94]

More media nonsense but....it would appear that Phil and Paul are holding the party line.....

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/armstrong-up-there-with-ali/story-e6frg7mf-1225988026292

That story is just sad...to see two grown men be so brainwashed and now they are going senile.

 

[Berzin]

You should be apologizing for quoting Bob Roll!

Absolutely.

Bob Roll is an author like Ron Jeremy is an actor.

 

[Ferminal]

Liggets at it again.. rolling out the "never tested positive" line
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/armstrong-up-there-with-ali/story-e6frg7mf-1225988026292

Christ, making me rethink whether I'm going to walk to the shop and buy the bloody rag... I'll bin the sports section.

By the way, Liggett once again misunderstands LiveSTRONG/LAF. He's about the 5th journalist this week who has said suggested that they do work for cancer research, this is simply not true. Does saying "done a lot of great work raising cancer awareness" not have the same ring as "spent millions finding a cure for cancer".

"Lance has proven to be the real deal and with the construction of the $27m Livestrong cancer research facility at Flinders, the first outside of Austin, Texas, (he) leaves a lasting legacy."

A legacy of the commercialisation of a charity's' branding?

 

[AussieGoddess]

not sure how exactly he has proven to be the real deal with the Adelaide facility.

It IS actually a research facility - that is true.

The thing is, the only contribution to it from Lance Armstrong or Livestrong was that they 'donated' the name.

Livestrong has not contributed towards this facility in any other way, and it is not known if the facility or the SA government has actually paid Livestrong for the use of the name.

 

[flicker]

Absolutely.

Bob Roll is an author like Ron Jeremy is an actor.

Bob Roll and Ron Jeremy are both excellent athletes and have brought joy to oh so many millions in the sports and entertainment industry. I would be extremely proud to be compared to either of those fine gentleman.

 

[auscyclefan94]

A 'cycling fan' has asked me to provide some proof that Lance doped. I wet myself with laughter after reading that.

 

[flicker]

Lance, his entourage, fellow teammates, sponsors have elevated the sport of cycling in so many ways. As far as people trashing Lance I say bring it on. The publicity will benefit the fight against cancer or whatever Lances' new agendas might be with his retirement.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7...team-revolutionized-the-sport-of-cycling.aspx

 

[auscyclefan94]

More proof of how stupid Tomalaris and McKenzie

Twitter Ride Report

 

[flicker]

A 'cycling fan' has asked me to provide some proof that Lance doped. I wet myself with laughter after reading that.

Being a Cadel fan proves your sensitivity.

 

[sartain]

Absolutely.

Bob Roll is an author like Ron Jeremy is an actor.

POST OF THE WEEK, Berzin!!!!!!!!!

 

[Ferminal]

Apparently Lance met with Jim Stynes yesterday... Kind of embarassing for a very genuine and humble person to be mentioned alongside an utter fraud.

 

[bobbins]

Lance, his entourage, fellow teammates, sponsors have elevated the sport of cycling in so many ways. As far as people trashing Lance I say bring it on. The publicity will benefit the fight against cancer or whatever Lances' new agendas might be with his retirement.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7...team-revolutionized-the-sport-of-cycling.aspx

Interesting link, however there isn't a shred of truth contained within it.

 

[hrotha]

A 'cycling fan' has asked me to provide some proof that Lance doped. I wet myself with laughter after reading that.

Oh gods, I wouldn't even know where to start. The 1999 Tour is obvious but I'd be tempted to start at least with Ferrari, which would require so many explanations I'd lose my audience.

 

[Cobblestoned]

A 'cycling fan' has asked me to provide some proof that Lance doped. I wet myself with laughter after reading that.

A "cyclingfan" has asked me to provide some proof that Cadel Evans doped. I didn't wet myself with laughter, because I am not a kid anymore and told him that Käddel was a Dr. Ferrari customer. Of course only for trainingplans, like F.Schleck.

 

[Mellow Velo]

A "cyclingfan" has asked me to provide some proof that Cadel Evans doped. I didn't wet myself with laughter, because I am not a kid anymore and told him that Käddel was a Dr. Ferrari customer. Of course only for trainingplans, like F.Schleck.

Now, there's a link I'd really wish you'd posted.............
Oh wait, of course you can't.

You might have had more success going with your old buddies, Telekom........or not.

 

[Mellow Velo]

A "cyclingfan" has asked me to provide some proof that Cadel Evans doped. I didn't wet myself with laughter, because I am not a kid anymore and told him that Käddel was a Dr. Ferrari customer. Of course only for trainingplans, like F.Schleck.

Got a link for Cadel being a Ferrari client?
Knowing you, probably not.
Be very interested to see it confirmed in print though, since that rumour certainly did go around in Germany.

Maybe you have something of use from his Telekom days that you could share with us?

 

[Ferminal]

Tomo:

"@FrancisAwartefe Parlous state of cycling? It's done more to expose and eliminate dope cheats than any other sport. Very bias and naive."

Who knew Francis Awartefe (Ex-footballer and currently a football analyst with SBS) had an interest in cycling... Seems to know a lot more than his colleagues, perhaps we should get him in France for July!

I feel sorry for Tomo, it's not as though he accepts reality but will defend the myth because it suits him. I think he genuinely believes the myth.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

The latest in a long line of white-washing the reality of what amounts to a runaway cement truck filled with criminal charges:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/02/12/state/n074628S42.DTL

You can go, paragraph by paragraph, and put together a counter-spin for the clear talking points that arrive in the form of a thinly-veiled AP article.

In fact, that would be a fun exercise. De-constructing the myths contained in the piece.

Here is the first para from the Pete Yost AP piece:

"News reports since last fall have said criminal charges against seven-time Tour de France champion Lance Armstrong could be just around the corner. But a decision on whether to indict America's most famous cyclist in performance-enhancing drug case is not imminent and the federal investigation has encountered serious hurdles, according to lawyers familiar with the matter."

Here is the non-spin, CN version:

For more than 9 months, various Federal agencies, including the FDA criminal investigation task force, FBI and Department of Justice, have been working to peel back the layers of shielding and cover on Lance Armstrong. He is the Texan cyclist and cancer activist who is best known for winning the Tour de France seven times and founding a cancer charity, Livestrong, replete with now ubiquitous yellow wrist-bands. With each accusation against Mr. Armstrong and revelation of potential criminal acts, the teams have found and ever increasing web of activity, illustrating more than a decade and a half of operations on two continents. With such a vast and previously unknown terroir, investigators are methodically assembling facts and evidence. It should be no surprise that discovering the truth about a man who's past could be turning out to be an intricately woven fabric of falsities has amounted to more work than they could have even imagined. In other words, there are more questions than answers.


Ok, I got the ball in motion. Who will take the next paragraph? This will be fun.

 

[Boeing]

I like cycling because I like Cadel. Cadel is famous and famous people do no wrong. Nothing to see here. Move on, move on.

 

[Race Radio]

The latest in a long line of white-washing the reality of what amounts to a runaway cement truck filled with criminal charges:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/02/12/state/n074628S42.DTL

You can go, paragraph by paragraph, and put together a counter-spin for the clear talking points that arrive in the form of a thinly-veiled AP article.

In fact, that would be a fun exercise. De-constructing the myths contained in the piece.

Here is the first para from the Pete Yost AP piece:

"News reports since last fall have said criminal charges against seven-time Tour de France champion Lance Armstrong could be just around the corner. But a decision on whether to indict America's most famous cyclist in performance-enhancing drug case is not imminent and the federal investigation has encountered serious hurdles, according to lawyers familiar with the matter."

Here is the non-spin, CN version:

For more than 9 months, various Federal agencies, including the FDA criminal investigation task force, FBI and Department of Justice, have been working to peel back the layers of shielding and cover on Lance Armstrong. He is the Texan cyclist and cancer activist who is best known for winning the Tour de France seven times and founding a cancer charity, Livestrong, replete with now ubiquitous yellow wrist-bands. With each accusation against Mr. Armstrong and revelation of potential criminal acts, the teams have found and ever increasing web of activity, illustrating more than a decade and a half of operations on two continents. With such a vast and previously unknown terroir, investigators are methodically assembling facts and evidence. It should be no surprise that discovering the truth about a man who's past could be turning out to be an intricately woven fabric of falsities has amounted to more work than they could have even imagined. In other words, there are more questions than answers.


Ok, I got the ball in motion. Who will take the next paragraph? This will be fun.

Oh, This is too easy. I will take the Tour de Swiss part as it is the easist.

Here is what Landis wrote

2002: ............. Mr Armstrong was not witness to the extraction but he and I had lengthy discussions about it on our training rides during which time he also explained to me the evolution of EPO testing and how transfusions were now necessary due to the inconvenience of the new test. He also divulged to me at that time that in the first year that the EPO test was used he had been told by Mr Ferrari, who had access to the new test, that he should not use EPO anymore but he did not believe Mr Farrari and continued to use it. He later, while winning the Tour de Swiss, the month before the Tour de France, tested positive for EPO at which point he and Mr Bruyneel flew to the UCI headquarters and made a financial agreement with Mr. Vrubrugen to keep the positive test hidden.

It is clear that Landis is saying that the discussion happened in 2002 but the topic was the year prior. The EPO test was introduced in 2001, Armstrong won the TdS in 2001. There is no confusion but Armstrong media people attempted to spin that there was in an attempt to discredit Landis.