The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010-2011

[progressor]

Seriously? We can say cycling, tennis, football, baseball, track, curling, skiing, skating, and have it apply to everything from five year olds to the best in the world, but "rugby" doesn't include everyone in the sport? And you use that premise as the basis for a personal attack, because if you've never heard something that's in common usage around the world, it can't be correct?

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Fair enough, a bit uncalled for. That check you facts b4 replying annoyed me.
Note they are 2 different sports , it's not like saying, cycling, or baseball.

 

[elapid]

on jan 20, 2009 i was getting ready for work when i coughed and approximately 1 tablespoon of of blood came up. i coughed again and produced about the same amount. it was bright red arterial blood, and i knew that wasn't good. i called my sister-in-law, who is a general surgeon, and told her what had happened. she made a couple of calls and told me to go to university general e.r., they were waiting for me. i got there and they sent me for a chest x-ray. the x-ray showed a mass so they sent me for a ct scan. the ct scan showed a mass that appeared to be on my pulmonary artery, and the fear was that it was going to blow. one ambulance ride later and i was at st. luke's and sent to coronary icu. i spent three days there and between all the tests, biopsies and such i sat in bed with my smart phone learning about cancer. as i cyclist i was familiar with it so i went to livestrong.org and began my education.

for me it was and is a great educational tool. from first fears to survivor issues, there is so much good information there, and for me the survivor stories were a really nice lifeline. the stories are great when you feel like complete ****, for me they helped me see what was possible. i expect it's different for some, but for me it was a tremendous help. with cancer you face so many issues, and they do a good job of addressing things that you just don't know you'll face.

when they decided that i wasn't in immediate danger of death from the artery bursting, i was discharged. 3 days later i had a pet scan which showed the cancer had not spread. unfortunately it wasn't operable with out very risky surgery, but they felt like if the could shrink it away from the artery they could remove the lobe of my lung and get it. i did 3 months of chemo, then had surgery to remove half my lung. unfortunately the tumor had wrapped partly on the artery, so i still had micro margins, but i was almost completely clean. i did 7 weeks of radiation, along with another 2 months of chemo, and as of october 2, 2009 i am considered cancer free. i had blood work 2 weeks ago and it was fine, and i have another ct scan scheduled for friday. i have a radiation burn on what is left of my lung, and the fear now is that it could become cancerous, but my oncologist says that he doesn't think it's likely. i made my one year in january and with the type of cancer i had that is huge.

in october i rode the livestrong challenge. i was still very anemic and the radiation burn was just starting to bother me, but it was a great experience. as slow as i was, and as much as it hurt, i can honestly say i've never been so honored and so happy to ride with a group of people. there are many survivors, lots with visible scars from the beatings they took in treatment, and it is awe inspiring to be in that group. one man has his leg amputated at the hip, and when i saw that it put my loss in a new light. i knew all through it that i was suffering very little compared to most people, especially given the treatment regimen they used. as the dr. said, you're young and i hit you as hard as i possibly could to give you a good chance, and while it's miserable to do, i stood it remarkably well. but some of the riders i saw made me ashamed for my self pity.
there were groups and singles riding in honor of someone in treatment, and many in memory of loved ones. i felt so much gratitude for those people, there's no way i can put into words what i felt that day. as i've said before, i didn't go to ride with lance armstrong i went to ride because i could. when i came to the finish line there was a lane for survivors, and as i approached the line i heard them call my name, and people applauded and i cried, for the shame, and the pain, and the joy of living and riding my bike again.

that's what livestrong did for me.

Great story and congratulations. This is what the LAF is intended to do - empower people with cancer by providing them with information regarding their cancer and their options. But this information is readily available from many other sources, including a half-decent oncologist. Moreover, LAF contribute minimally to cancer research which many people do not realize. the LAF is an advocate first and foremost. This is not a bad thing, in fact it is a very good thing for people like patricknd, but it is important that people do not fool themselves that the LAF is saving the world. It helps individuals and lines Lance's pockets, but does little for actually combatting the disease.

 

[elapid]

Fair enough, a bit uncalled for. That check you facts b4 replying annoyed me.
Note they are 2 different sports , it's not like saying, cycling, or baseball.

Football = soccer, American football, Australian Rules Football, etc.
Cycling = road, cyclocross, MTB, just to name a few.

 

[progressor]

Football = soccer, American football, Australian Rules Football, etc.
Cycling = road, cyclocross, MTB, just to name a few.

I don't quite get the point of what you're saying

 

[patricknd]

Fantastic post Patrick. Chapeau.

Excellent post Patrick. That's the kind of inspirational story that can't be represented in statistics and pie charts. So glad to hear you're fully recovered.

Great story and congratulations. This is what the LAF is intended to do - empower people with cancer by providing them with information regarding their cancer and their options. But this information is readily available from many other sources, including a half-decent oncologist. Moreover, LAF contribute minimally to cancer research which many people do not realize. the LAF is an advocate first and foremost. This is not a bad thing, in fact it is a very good thing for people like patricknd, but it is important that people do not fool themselves that the LAF is saving the world. It helps individuals and lines Lance's pockets, but does little for actually combatting the disease.

thanks ya'll.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

What percentage of people do you suppose there's a difference between

www.livestrong.com

and

www.livestrong.org

 

[BYOP88]

I don't quite get the point of what you're saying

Well depending on where you hail from on this planet saying "football" could mean 1 of a number of sports. What do people who play/watch rugby league call it and what do people who play/watch rugby union call it(I got both kinds?)?

 

[Ferminal]

Again the point being missed is one of deception and misleading the public. Point in case was the TDU in 2009. There is no discernible difference between Lance Armstrong the person, Livestrong.com and Livestrong.org. Therefore when Lance comes to the TDU under the guise of the Livestrong banner but in reality is being paid personally and not wanting to admit the fact is deceptive. When he sets up the "Global Cancer Summit" in Dublin under the Livestrong banner but is paid personally for his appearance how and why will people ever know what portion of the money goes to himself or the companies? They don't.

Secondary to this point is expenses. Its been listed that the foundation has an extremely high ratio spent on marketing than that distributed into the charitable functions. The expenses go on Armstrong flying around the world promoting Livestrong but in truth its promoting himself.

The last point is that Livestrong promotes Lance which he then sells himself to Micolob. Nike and any other brand which pays him personally. He profits greatly from Livestrong - in essence its his own free personal marketing company paid by those thinking they are donating to cancer research.

The entire operation is sham and we all know it.

To this day I still can't understand what Livestrong actually does for anyone outside of Lance Armstrong. If anyone has a real life story please inform me because I can't see it.

on jan 20, 2009 i was getting ready for work when i coughed and approximately 1 tablespoon of of blood came up. i coughed again and produced about the same amount. it was bright red arterial blood, and i knew that wasn't good. i called my sister-in-law, who is a general surgeon, and told her what had happened. she made a couple of calls and told me to go to university general e.r., they were waiting for me. i got there and they sent me for a chest x-ray. the x-ray showed a mass so they sent me for a ct scan. the ct scan showed a mass that appeared to be on my pulmonary artery, and the fear was that it was going to blow. one ambulance ride later and i was at st. luke's and sent to coronary icu. i spent three days there and between all the tests, biopsies and such i sat in bed with my smart phone learning about cancer. as i cyclist i was familiar with it so i went to livestrong.org and began my education.

for me it was and is a great educational tool. from first fears to survivor issues, there is so much good information there, and for me the survivor stories were a really nice lifeline. the stories are great when you feel like complete ****, for me they helped me see what was possible. i expect it's different for some, but for me it was a tremendous help. with cancer you face so many issues, and they do a good job of addressing things that you just don't know you'll face.

when they decided that i wasn't in immediate danger of death from the artery bursting, i was discharged. 3 days later i had a pet scan which showed the cancer had not spread. unfortunately it wasn't operable with out very risky surgery, but they felt like if the could shrink it away from the artery they could remove the lobe of my lung and get it. i did 3 months of chemo, then had surgery to remove half my lung. unfortunately the tumor had wrapped partly on the artery, so i still had micro margins, but i was almost completely clean. i did 7 weeks of radiation, along with another 2 months of chemo, and as of october 2, 2009 i am considered cancer free. i had blood work 2 weeks ago and it was fine, and i have another ct scan scheduled for friday. i have a radiation burn on what is left of my lung, and the fear now is that it could become cancerous, but my oncologist says that he doesn't think it's likely. i made my one year in january and with the type of cancer i had that is huge.

in october i rode the livestrong challenge. i was still very anemic and the radiation burn was just starting to bother me, but it was a great experience. as slow as i was, and as much as it hurt, i can honestly say i've never been so honored and so happy to ride with a group of people. there are many survivors, lots with visible scars from the beatings they took in treatment, and it is awe inspiring to be in that group. one man has his leg amputated at the hip, and when i saw that it put my loss in a new light. i knew all through it that i was suffering very little compared to most people, especially given the treatment regimen they used. as the dr. said, you're young and i hit you as hard as i possibly could to give you a good chance, and while it's miserable to do, i stood it remarkably well. but some of the riders i saw made me ashamed for my self pity.
there were groups and singles riding in honor of someone in treatment, and many in memory of loved ones. i felt so much gratitude for those people, there's no way i can put into words what i felt that day. as i've said before, i didn't go to ride with lance armstrong i went to ride because i could. when i came to the finish line there was a lane for survivors, and as i approached the line i heard them call my name, and people applauded and i cried, for the shame, and the pain, and the joy of living and riding my bike again.

that's what livestrong did for me.

These are the two key posts from the last x amount of posts on the issue.

They aren't directly opposed to one another - rather both help to make the picture clearer.

 

[Race Radio]

I kicked cancers ASS!

Fixed that for you.

Great post.

 

[progressor]

Well depending on where you hail from on this planet saying "football" could mean 1 of a number of sports. What do people who play/watch rugby league call it and what do people who play/watch rugby union call it(I got both kinds?)?

To the best of my knowledge Rugby league can be also be called League or football. Rugby Union can be called rugby, or increasingly less football. Union or Rugby union is only used when both forms are being talked about. Rugby (union) is by far the bigger game internationally.

But that's probably enough talking about that. Although the difference is significant to me,it has nothing to do with cycling outside the clinic, and absolutely nothing to do with cycling news forums most obsessed over cyclist.

 

[thehog]

Thanks for the post and well done for posting on a board which is prone to ridicule and name calling at the slightest mention of Lance Armstrong.

I’ve shared similar experience to you and each and every time I found that a doctors time is spread very thing along with the doctor not being able to be involved on a emotional level. The fear, emotion and limited time to make key decisions in regards to treatment when diagnosed with cancer makes valuable groups and resources extremely worthwhile. Livestrong is not unique in this space. There are many resources/groups which offer what livestrong offer. Many are linked to the hospital themselves and operate within the hospital to offer these services in a private and practical manner. Many have been providing support well before Lance Armstrong even thought about straddling a bike. These same groups manage to provide their support without the fanfare and the “for profit” arm that Livestrong does.

My original point stands – whilst Livestrong does provide support along with educational resources for patients it does so whilst tuning a overwhelming humongous profit for its founder. So many may say: “what’s wrong with that?” – as long as people are being helped then good luck to the man. But at what cost? Does the general public really know what portion of the Nike yellow branded trainers actually goes to Livestrong.org and Livestrong.com/NIKE/LANCE/KIK? Do we really know when purchasing a healthy eating plan from Livestrong.com that some of that money goes to cancer support group? The point is they don't really know. Its trickery.

The charity market is crowed and extremely competitive and every dollar counts and makes a difference. So to see people mislead believing their hard earned money is going to assist and help those who they want and not going to a man who wants to keep his art and wine collection up to date. You’ll notice that other cancer charities are much more open in the way they spend their revenues and the use donated monies.

on jan 20, 2009 i was getting ready for work when i coughed and approximately 1 tablespoon of of blood came up. i coughed again and produced about the same amount. it was bright red arterial blood, and i knew that wasn't good. i called my sister-in-law, who is a general surgeon, and told her what had happened. she made a couple of calls and told me to go to university general e.r., they were waiting for me. i got there and they sent me for a chest x-ray. the x-ray showed a mass so they sent me for a ct scan. the ct scan showed a mass that appeared to be on my pulmonary artery, and the fear was that it was going to blow. one ambulance ride later and i was at st. luke's and sent to coronary icu. i spent three days there and between all the tests, biopsies and such i sat in bed with my smart phone learning about cancer. as i cyclist i was familiar with it so i went to livestrong.org and began my education.

for me it was and is a great educational tool. from first fears to survivor issues, there is so much good information there, and for me the survivor stories were a really nice lifeline. the stories are great when you feel like complete ****, for me they helped me see what was possible. i expect it's different for some, but for me it was a tremendous help. with cancer you face so many issues, and they do a good job of addressing things that you just don't know you'll face.

when they decided that i wasn't in immediate danger of death from the artery bursting, i was discharged. 3 days later i had a pet scan which showed the cancer had not spread. unfortunately it wasn't operable with out very risky surgery, but they felt like if the could shrink it away from the artery they could remove the lobe of my lung and get it. i did 3 months of chemo, then had surgery to remove half my lung. unfortunately the tumor had wrapped partly on the artery, so i still had micro margins, but i was almost completely clean. i did 7 weeks of radiation, along with another 2 months of chemo, and as of october 2, 2009 i am considered cancer free. i had blood work 2 weeks ago and it was fine, and i have another ct scan scheduled for friday. i have a radiation burn on what is left of my lung, and the fear now is that it could become cancerous, but my oncologist says that he doesn't think it's likely. i made my one year in january and with the type of cancer i had that is huge.

in october i rode the livestrong challenge. i was still very anemic and the radiation burn was just starting to bother me, but it was a great experience. as slow as i was, and as much as it hurt, i can honestly say i've never been so honored and so happy to ride with a group of people. there are many survivors, lots with visible scars from the beatings they took in treatment, and it is awe inspiring to be in that group. one man has his leg amputated at the hip, and when i saw that it put my loss in a new light. i knew all through it that i was suffering very little compared to most people, especially given the treatment regimen they used. as the dr. said, you're young and i hit you as hard as i possibly could to give you a good chance, and while it's miserable to do, i stood it remarkably well. but some of the riders i saw made me ashamed for my self pity.
there were groups and singles riding in honor of someone in treatment, and many in memory of loved ones. i felt so much gratitude for those people, there's no way i can put into words what i felt that day. as i've said before, i didn't go to ride with lance armstrong i went to ride because i could. when i came to the finish line there was a lane for survivors, and as i approached the line i heard them call my name, and people applauded and i cried, for the shame, and the pain, and the joy of living and riding my bike again.

that's what livestrong did for me.

 

[patricknd]

Fixed that for you.

Great post.

thanks man

Thanks for the post and well done for posting on a board which is prone to ridicule and name calling at the slightest mention of Lance Armstrong.

I’ve shared similar experience to you and each and every time I found that a doctors time is spread very thing along with the doctor not being able to be involved on a emotional level. The fear, emotion and limited time to make key decisions in regards to treatment when diagnosed with cancer makes valuable groups and resources extremely worthwhile. Livestrong is not unique in this space. There are many resources/groups which offer what livestrong offer. Many are linked to the hospital themselves and operate within the hospital to offer these services in a private and practical manner. Many have been providing support well before Lance Armstrong even thought about straddling a bike. These same groups manage to provide their support without the fanfare and the “for profit” arm that Livestrong does.

My original point stands – whilst Livestrong does provide support along with educational resources for patients it does so whilst tuning a overwhelming humongous profit for its founder. So many may say: “what’s wrong with that?” – as long as people are being helped then good luck to the man. But at what cost? Does the general public really know what portion of the Nike yellow branded trainers actually goes to Livestrong.org and Livestrong.com/NIKE/LANCE/KIK? Do we really know when purchasing a healthy eating plan from Livestrong.com that some of that money goes to cancer support group? The point is they don't really know. Its trickery.

The charity market is crowed and extremely competitive and every dollar counts and makes a difference. So to see people mislead believing their hard earned money is going to assist and help those who they want and not going to a man who wants to keep his art and wine collection up to date. You’ll notice that other cancer charities are much more open in the way they spend their revenues and the use donated monies.

thanks. all very valid points, and i know that most people don't know that there is any difference in anything livestrong. i was fortunate to go from coughing up blood to starting chemo in 8 days, and a lot of that was due to my sister-in-law, but also the luck i had in the oncologist they called for the initial consult. when i was first admitted it was as a pulmonary patient, so it was two days before i even saw an oncologist. i was all prepared to interview dr.'s and the guy that walked in to the icu and introduced himself was fantastic. he told me that the standard of care was to remove the lung, but he felt like quality of life was as important as quantity, so he felt like we should save half so i could ride again. needless to say i had my dr. he shared my urgency to get started, and i certainly didn't want to drag my feet.

sorry to digress, i hope your health is good, and i hope my ct on friday looks good as well.

 

[bianchigirl]

progressor, I first saw that news on a French site which referred to a 'rugbyman' - no mention of whether it was league or union (treize or quinze), hence my usage of the unqualified term 'rugby'.

Serious question, but do you think that - if the US had a healthcare system like the UK - the need for Livestrong would be so great? It does bother me somewhat to see kids with the wristbands as a fashion statement knowing (and caring) nothing about the charity.

 

[Publicus]

I don't want to start a discussion about the HGH issue here, but want to note Armstrong's comment via twitter:

Interesting 2 read the British press in light of the first ever HGH positive w/ a rugby player here. Nowhere in the paper... #doublestandard

Now I know he has to know that the news story is not the actual rugby player, but the HGH test itself. If the player had been a major rugby star I'm sure it would have been a lingering story, but as far as I know he wasn't and thus that aspect of the story has no legs.

My point is he's complaining about the downside of being a media w_h_o_r_e--namely that every salacious allegation has legs. Who he is dating is a story; who Beppu is dating is not.

 

[theswordsman]

I don't want to start a discussion about the HGH issue here, but want to note Armstrong's comment via twitter:



Now I know he has to know that the news story is not the actual rugby player, but the HGH test itself. If the player had been a major rugby star I'm sure it would have been a lingering story, but as far as I know he wasn't and thus that aspect of the story has no legs.

My point is he's complaining about the downside of being a media *****--namely that every salacious allegation has legs. Who he is dating is a story; who Beppu is dating is not.

Yeah. I just did a Google search and saw stories as early as the 19th. I don't know when it actually hit in Britain. But once he was banned, and everyone covered the story, there was no further news. Time to get back to the Olympics, and the Ashley & Cheryl Cole situation.

 

[kurtinsc]

To answer your question - "significant" - as said by DM CEO Richard Rosenblatt.
______

This is the part I have problems with in your posts...

Are you suggesting Lance is "paid' for his obligations to the cancer cause?
If so how much - and can another charity or group offer more and get him as their exclusive spokesman? Maybe the NRA - or the tobacco industry?

First, "significant" doesn't mean what you think it means. A 1% share of a company is considered a significant stake for most companies. There are 8.75 billion shares of microsoft. If you owned 1%... that would be 87.5 million shares... or 2,625,000,000 dollars worth of stock. 1% of microsoft isn't close to a majority stake. You'd get only 1% of the profit passed on to stockholders. But over 2.5 billion dollars worth of stock is definitely significant.

Demand is privately held, but the overall value of the company is probably over a billion dollars. They had over 850 million in capital they used to start purchasing sites. They put 20 million dollars down on just developing the Livestrong site.


Lance isn't directly paid by Livestrong (if that's what you're asking). Normally, a celebrity will be paid to be a spokesman for a product (often one related to the reason for their celebrity). Golfers being paid for golf club commercials are an example.

With Lance, it works this way:

A company will enter an agreement with the LAF to use the livestrong brand on a product (such as the treadmills discussed earlier). The company gets publicity for their product by doing this, hoping that this will lead to increased sales. The LAF gets money... either a set fee for using the brand for a period of time or a certain amount of money per unit sold.

Lance is hired separately to do advertisments. He films commercials, gets his picture taken for print adds and makes testimonial statements about the product, and gets paid to do so. This is the same as any celebrity endorsement.

Now the company probably feels that they get more bang for their buck with Lance because he reinforces the dollars they spent on the Livestrong brand. It probably wouldn't work as well if they spent the same amount of money on Cadel Evans because he doesn't have any connection to the Livestrong brand. So Lance is definitely profiting from his connection to the LAF. But it's not taking any money from the LAF... the LAF would not recieve more money if Lance didn't do those commercials. In fact, it's possible they might recieve less, since paying the LAF might be they way companies can get Lance to do commercials.

It's kind of slimy to profit from the connection to a charity like that... but it also probably helps the charity rather then hurting it. I certainly can't blame the charity for using the connection to increase their fund raising.


Lance isn't an exclusive spokesman for the LAF. They don't pay him a dime. He's a spokesman for companies like Trek and Nike, who also happen to have purchased some rights to use the Livestrong brand in different scenarios.

 

[Anonymous]

I don't want to start a discussion about the HGH issue here, but want to note Armstrong's comment via twitter:



Now I know he has to know that the news story is not the actual rugby player, but the HGH test itself. If the player had been a major rugby star I'm sure it would have been a lingering story, but as far as I know he wasn't and thus that aspect of the story has no legs.

My point is he's complaining about the downside of being a media w_h_o_r_e--namely that every salacious allegation has legs. Who he is dating is a story; who Beppu is dating is not.

Thanks for that Pub, I can't believe he said that! It was all over the papers when the story broke a few days ago. Just because it's not in today's issue of the News of the World, or whatever titilation rag he's reading, then it's a cover-up and double standards? Does he actually believe this crap he writes or does he look for any opportunity to attack the credibility of anyone who has questioned him in the past? Now 2.5m people will read that and assume the British press are covering it up.

Anyway, I've questioned him on it so no doubt he'll now ban me. Not that I follow him any more anyway.

 

[kurtinsc]

My original point stands – whilst Livestrong does provide support along with educational resources for patients it does so whilst tuning a overwhelming humongous profit for its founder. So many may say: “what’s wrong with that?” – as long as people are being helped then good luck to the man. But at what cost? Does the general public really know what portion of the Nike yellow branded trainers actually goes to Livestrong.org and Livestrong.com/NIKE/LANCE/KIK? Do we really know when purchasing a healthy eating plan from Livestrong.com that some of that money goes to cancer support group? The point is they don't really know. Its trickery.

Hog, you keep saying this but it's simply not true. The lines between Lance and the LAF are very solid. A small amount of reading shows that to be the case.

Lance is definitely profiting from his association with the LAF. But the money doesn't come from the LAF. It comes from being hired by companies that purchase the right to display the "Livestrong" logo to promote the products. Trek and Nike and Demand Media are paying Lance... not the LAF. Lance also gets no money from anyone using the livestrong logo... only the LAF does. They own 100% of the brand. Again... Lance is often getting hired by those companies as a spokesperson, so he is profiting... but it's not coming from the LAF's chunk.

And how does one purchase a healthy eating plan from the livestrong.com site. How does one purchase ANYTHING from the site. I've spent the last 10 minutes navigating the site trying to find any screen (aside from an advert) where I might buy something and I'm not seeing it.

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

Hog, you keep saying this but it's simply not true. The lines between Lance and the LAF are very solid. A small amount of reading shows that to be the case.

Lance is definitely profiting from his association with the LAF. But the money doesn't come from the LAF. It comes from being hired by companies that purchase the right to display the "Livestrong" logo to promote the products. Trek and Nike and Demand Media are paying Lance... not the LAF. Lance also gets no money from anyone using the livestrong logo... only the LAF does. They own 100% of the brand. Again... Lance is often getting hired by those companies as a spokesperson, so he is profiting... but it's not coming from the LAF's chunk.

And how does one purchase a healthy eating plan from the livestrong.com site. How does one purchase ANYTHING from the site. I've spent the last 10 minutes navigating the site trying to find any screen (aside from an advert) where I might buy something and I'm not seeing it.

I also think he has misrepresented the relationship with Nike. Unless something has changed, Nike gives 100% of the Livestrong 10//2 sales to the LAF. What does it matter if consumers buy the clothing to support the LAF or because they are fans of Lance? That money goes directly to the LAF. I'm don't think Oakley, Giro, and the other producers of Livestrong gear donate 100%, but in Nike's case, I'm sure of it.

If Lance uses his celebrity and builds up his celebrity status so that the LAF can grow, good for him.

I have my own issues with it, but I have explained those already.

 

[thehog]

I also think he has misrepresented the relationship with Nike. Unless something has changed, Nike gives 100% of the Livestrong 10//2 sales to the LAF. What does it matter if consumers buy the clothing to support the LAF or because they are fans of Lance? That money goes directly to the LAF. I'm don't think Oakley, Giro, and the other producers of Livestrong gear donate 100%, but in Nike's case, I'm sure of it.

If Lance uses his celebrity and builds up his celebrity status so that the LAF can grow, good for him.

I have my own issues with it, but I have explained those already.

Huh???? Someone show me where Nike donate 100% of their 10/2 Range to LAF. None of it goes to LAF. None. Zero. Show me a link to otherwise.

as per the other post to purchases made on the livestrong site:

"100% of the proceeds from the LIVESTRONG Store, after all expenses, benefit the programs of the Lance Armstrong Foundation. Our survivorship programs and services depend on the generosity of our supporters."

WTF?? after expenses!!! and survivorship programs comes from donations? You mean the yellow bands only pay for the jet and the other 77% of "entertainment"? not survivor programs.

 

[Prodigy]

Huh???? Someone show me where Nike donate 100% of their 10/2 Range to LAF. None of it goes to LAF. None. Zero. Show me a link to otherwise.

as per the other post to purchases made on the livestrong site:

"100% of the proceeds from the LIVESTRONG Store, after all expenses, benefit the programs of the Lance Armstrong Foundation. Our survivorship programs and services depend on the generosity of our supporters."

WTF?? after expenses!!! and survivorship programs comes from donations? You mean the yellow bands only pay for the jet and the other 77% of "entertainment"? not survivor programs.

If it didn't have nike on it, it wouldn't sell as well, so both brands help each other. It's win, win.

I think you're being deliberately unrealistic in your approach to this. Armstrong could make hundreds of millions from just having his own brand of everything over the past ten years, yet he has not.

 

[Race Radio]

Armstrong could make hundreds of millions from just having his own brand of everything over the past ten years, yet he has not.

He tried that with the 10/2 line. It failed, just like your trolling.

 

[Prodigy]

He tried that with the 10/2 line. It failed, just like your trolling.

He's going to sue them for not putting enough effort in to selling that. The trial could be explosive.

No but seriously, if there was no livestrong brand and he just did his own Armstrong gear, and all the focus was on that, I'm sure he would be a lot richer. Why can't people get Armstrong bikes for instance? I can see a lot of potential here.

 

[Race Radio]

I read in a translated interview last year that Armstrong's comeback year raised in excess of $200 million for his charity.

Is that figure right? If true that is an amazing sum. A lot of it must have come from the governments he met I presume.

Your trolling attempts are getting more pathetic with each new username, and ip address, you sign up with.

No, $200 million was not raised by LAF this year. Armstrong pocketed the money he got in Australia, Italy, Ireland.

 

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Also, not really getting that LA tw@tter comment... Double standard because of what reason?