The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010-2011

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ImmaculateKadence said:
Wow Hog! I haven't checked in for a couple days (trying to avoid those nude photos of you ;)), but I didn't expect anymore posts from you after Sunday...oh well :rolleyes:

Wasn't he recovering from a major stomach ailment at CI?

I think so.

The rest of your post is just begging the question.
Can you please read the rest of the posts?
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BroDeal said:
A cynical person might suspect that bouts of gastroenteritus are convenient and pre-made excuses to explain variations in blood values.

A cynical person may also believe that RadioShack brought their own water and food to Flanders to avoid catching the virus that has been sweeping through the guts of many riders this spring.

Or how about, just like using a windtunnel, the other riders with the imaginary so-called squirts are just copying Lance as they have done for decades?
 
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Escarabajo said:
Can you please read the rest of the posts?
Thanks.

Can you be more specific or should I just sort through 300+ pages?

I read most of the recent posts and didn't find very much besides the typical hearsay and assumptions I'm used to...:rolleyes:

Ahhh it's good to be back.
 
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Polish said:
A cynical person may also believe that RadioShack brought their own water and food to Flanders to avoid catching the virus that has been sweeping through the guts of many riders this spring.

Or how about, just like using a windtunnel, the other riders with the imaginary so-called squirts are just copying Lance as they have done for decades?

So two bouts of gastro in three weeks...big coincidence?
 
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ImmaculateKadence said:
Can you be more specific or should I just sort through 300+ pages?

I read most of the recent posts and didn't find very much besides the typical hearsay and assumptions I'm used to...:rolleyes:

Ahhh it's good to be back.
Everybody was shocked about the rash of illnesses that Armstrong is having now, even though they are being very careful with everything around them (Water, food, supplements, etc). At the same time we never heard about any of this during his time when he was winning 7 tours. Coincidentally, after his blood values were questioned last year, it is very convenient not only to make up illnesses all the time to explain blood profile changes, but also changing the direction of where he is going to be the next day, so the whereabouts system goes down the toilet.

But of course, it is all speculation and this is what we love to do, speculate. Nevertheless very coincidental.
 
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There's way too much going on for individual replies.

MSR weekend you had him starting off on twitter having a family meal with the visiting kids, then getting ill, dropping out of the race but managing to deal with the ESPN jerk, having a full recovery and going with JB and Baby Mama to spend an hour with, and give an expensive bike to, President Sarkozy.

Next up was Criterium International, some how a major victory for him because of Contador's allergies, and Lance finishing way behind Alberto but that was OK because the team expected that and Lance wasn't trying but Contador was, and of course Armstrong knows how to leapfrog into shape at the right time.

Everyone made predictions about how poorly LA would do at Flanders, yet he apparently had leapfrogged into shape a bit early and put in a strong ride, hinting he could have done even better, but he got behind guys who had to get off their bikes and walk up a climb.

Suddenly there were expectations, and curiosity, and talk about him actually getting results in upcoming events, or even winning some.

Monday rolled around. He finished in the pack for a bunch finish, had a random drug test, a story came out about him dropping other races (including two the media had failed to mention included Contador) because of the annual Soap Box Derby, then teammates from Flanders were getting sick, then he was yet again.

That's a lot of stuff to deal with. I will say that a year ago when I was still a fan and a blogger, and he actually stayed in Texas with his first set of kids, he made a big deal out of the Soap Box Derby. He posted pics. In an article about his going home to recover from collarbone surgery, he said that for the next ten days, he was all about the Soap Box Derby car. But the race is the same time it was last year, and his older son was with him in France not long ago. Whoever keeps track of his schedule and private jet and houses and stuff should have blocked out his calendar for the Derby if it was really important to him. Why let his job and races that he signed up for well in advance conflict with his getting back to ATX, after he'd voluntarily spent weeks away from there in Hawaii, France, and South Africa?

It just seems like a rapid succession of changes. Suddenly he's fit. Remembers what a great dad he is & the Soap Box Derby. Doping control. Others are ill. He's ill. Train and race in America for a couple of months. I don't follow his twitter, but the rest of you can follow just how much of his time he spends in Texas with the family instead of racing for the team built around him.

On the topic of not hearing about him being sick through seven years of Tour wins - I don't know if he was then and it didn't coincide with races, or of he has really been sick lately, but twitter has really changed things. In those seven years, people would have had no idea what he was up to at 4:00 P.M. on a random day in January, and it wouldn't have been repeated in news stories around the globe. I'm just saying...
 
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theswordsman said:
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On the topic of not hearing about him being sick through seven years of Tour wins - I don't know if he was then and it didn't coincide with races, or of he has really been sick lately, but twitter has really changed things. In those seven years, people would have had no idea what he was up to at 4:00 P.M. on a random day in January, and it wouldn't have been repeated in news stories around the globe. I'm just saying...
agreed with the rest of your post but not sure if i understood you in the quote above.

armstrong always controlled as much as he could about him in the media. a healthy, strong, dominating champion was the message that fit his wins perfectly in 99-05. sure he might have been having bouts of the squirts in those years. im almost certain he did. but we did not hear about it because it fit armstrongs propaganda, not because of twitter/no twitter.

another point. betsy repeatedly commented that armstrong unlike most riders seems never got sick. either he held the mystic well or he indeed was using a secret immunity recovering cocktail that he perfected since recovery from cancer.
 

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ImmaculateKadence said:
Wow Hog! I haven't checked in for a couple days (trying to avoid those nude photos of you ;)), but I didn't expect anymore posts from you after Sunday...oh well :rolleyes:

Wasn't he recovering from a major stomach ailment at CI?

I think so.

The rest of your post is just begging the question.

Here we go. So tell me at Flanders of the guys who beat Armstrong will they win the Tour? Will they beat Contador? Flanders was a poor showing. Our exspectations are low and to you guys because he finished you see it as a sign of victory. Grim days.

Do you think Roy Sentjens will beat Armstrong at the Tour? :confused: Maybe Lloyd Mondory will give him a run for his money? Have you ever heard of any of these riders? They still beat Armstrong.

4 Bjorn Leukemans (Bel) Vacansoleil Pro Cycling Team 0:02:15
5 Tyler Farrar (USA) Garmin - Transitions 0:02:35
6 George Hincapie (USA) BMC Racing Team
7 Roger Hammond (GBr) Cervelo Test Team
8 Maxim Iglinsky (Kaz) Astana
9 Danilo Hondo (Ger) Lampre-Farnese Vini
10 William Bonnet (Fra) Bbox Bouygues Telecom
11 Johnny Hoogerland (Ned) Vacansoleil Pro Cycling Team
12 Stijn Vandenbergh (Bel) Team Katusha
13 Mathew Hayman (Aus) Sky Professional Cycling Team
14 Lloyd Mondory (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale
15 Matti Breschel (Den) Team Saxo Bank
16 Bernhard Eisel (Aut) Team HTC - Columbia
17 Steve Chainel (Fra) Bbox Bouygues Telecom
18 Frédéric Guesdon (Fra) Française Des Jeux
19 Maarten Wynants (Bel) Quick Step
20 Marcus Burghardt (Ger) BMC Racing Team
21 Roy Sentjens (Bel) Team Milram
22 Sebastian Langeveld (Ned) Rabobank
23 Marcel Sieberg (Ger) Team HTC - Columbia
24 Sylvain Chavanel (Fra) Quick Step
25 Stijn Devolder (Bel) Quick Step
26 Sébastien Hinault (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale
 
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thehog said:
Here we go. So tell me at Flanders of the guys who beat Armstrong will they win the Tour? Will they beat Contador? Flanders was a poor showing. Our exspectations are low and to you guys because he finished you see it as a sign of victory. Grim days.

Do you think Roy Sentjens will beat Armstrong at the Tour? :confused: Maybe Lloyd Mondory will give him a run for his money? Have you ever heard of any of these riders? They still beat Armstrong.

I don't really care who beat him at Flanders, nor do I care who he beats or who beats him at the Tour. The guys I'd like to see win are not named Alberto or Lance.

I'm just happy he finished Flanders because he proved you wrong :D Should have known you would attribute to doping though....no surprises there.
 
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ImmaculateKadence said:
I don't really care who beat him at Flanders, nor do I care who he beats or who beats him at the Tour. The guys I'd like to see win are not named Alberto or Lance.

I'm just happy he finished Flanders because he proved you wrong :D Should have known you would attribute to doping though....no surprises there.

Kenny van Hummel?
 

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thehog said:
Here we go. So tell me at Flanders of the guys who beat Armstrong will they win the Tour?

Pro cycling doesn't really work like that.

It takes awhile to get the gist of it.
 

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Re Armstrong tummy bug.

Maybe the first gasto incident was about getting out of the Milan-San Remo for political reasons. The second one could be the real one?

Does it have to be something they ate? Can't it be an airborne virus?
 
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thehog said:
Have you ever heard of any of these riders? They still beat Armstrong.

A little confused by that comment. Everyone from Farrar to 34th place Flecha came in the first major group and had the same time. Once you get the gist of pro cycling, you will come to realize that no one in that group "beat" anyone. In fact, my hat is off to anyone who survives Flanders.
 
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Re Armstrong tummy bug.

Maybe the first gasto incident was about getting out of the Milan-San Remo for political reasons. The second one could be the real one?

Does it have to be something they ate? Can't it be an airborne virus?

CNN.com link to front page story is stating, and I'm sure it is a spoon-fed: CNN) -- Lance Armstrong, the seven-time Tour de France champion, has suffered a setback in his preparations for this year's race after a stomach virus forced him to withdraw from the Circuit de la Sarthe. This seems to be either the promotional start of his reason for not making the podium or the emphasis to make his effort to finish the Tour look heroic. I've never seen an athelete's preparation compromised by a stomach bug 3 MONTHS before the event and having it be press-worthy. What's going on?
 
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Last year his collarbone fracture didn't jeopardize his prep, so I bet a simple stomach flue is not going to hurt his chances either...:rolleyes:
 
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Bala Verde said:
Last year his collarbone fracture didn't jeopardize his prep, so I bet a simple stomach flue is not going to hurt his chances either...:rolleyes:

Nope. Just amazed that there is so little real news in the US.
 
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Oldman said:
CNN.com link to front page story is stating, and I'm sure it is a spoon-fed: CNN) -- Lance Armstrong, the seven-time Tour de France champion, has suffered a setback in his preparations for this year's race after a stomach virus forced him to withdraw from the Circuit de la Sarthe. This seems to be either the promotional start of his reason for not making the podium or the emphasis to make his effort to finish the Tour look heroic. I've never seen an athelete's preparation compromised by a stomach bug 3 MONTHS before the event and having it be press-worthy. What's going on?
Well, to be fair, if you accept that racing in the Circuit was part of his preparations, then not being able to do that is arguably a setback in his preparations.

But something is fishy about all this. The last tweet that I saw indicated that he is well enough to eat. I've been sicker than that (couldn't eat within 24 hours), so if there is some kind of plan to milk this thing to use as an excuse later, he's not doing a very good job of it. I mean, he could just not tweet for a few days, and then come back on and say he was too sick. But he's not going that far. So maybe he is really sick?

But I agree the "sudden" derby excuse makes no sense. Although, it's possible he was going to sacrifice participating this year, then had a change of heart, perhaps after talking to his son. Divorced parents aren't exactly known for their rationality.

But he definitely seems out of balance and focus, or something.
 

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Re Armstrong tummy bug.

Maybe the first gasto incident was about getting out of the Milan-San Remo for political reasons. The second one could be the real one?

Does it have to be something they ate? Can't it be an airborne virus?

Actually BPC, you could be on to something.

Lance could be struck down with some ailment that he has tried to get rid of at least 30 times yet it just keeps coming back.

Any thoughts on how to kill this disease?
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
Actually BPC, you could be on to something.

Lance could be struck down with some ailment that he has tried to get rid of at least 30 times yet it just keeps coming back.

Any thoughts on how to kill this disease?

truth and light.
 
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I have two theories:

1-) Gastroenteritis=diarrhea=rapid weight lost
2-) Gastroenteritis=diarrhea=massive dehydration=sudden blood values change

take your pick
 

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theswordsman said:
There's way too much going on for individual replies.

MSR weekend you had him starting off on twitter having a family meal with the visiting kids, then getting ill, dropping out of the race but managing to deal with the ESPN jerk, having a full recovery and going with JB and Baby Mama to spend an hour with, and give an expensive bike to, President Sarkozy.

Next up was Criterium International, some how a major victory for him because of Contador's allergies, and Lance finishing way behind Alberto but that was OK because the team expected that and Lance wasn't trying but Contador was, and of course Armstrong knows how to leapfrog into shape at the right time.

Everyone made predictions about how poorly LA would do at Flanders, yet he apparently had leapfrogged into shape a bit early and put in a strong ride, hinting he could have done even better, but he got behind guys who had to get off their bikes and walk up a climb.

Suddenly there were expectations, and curiosity, and talk about him actually getting results in upcoming events, or even winning some.

Monday rolled around. He finished in the pack for a bunch finish, had a random drug test, a story came out about him dropping other races (including two the media had failed to mention included Contador) because of the annual Soap Box Derby, then teammates from Flanders were getting sick, then he was yet again.

That's a lot of stuff to deal with. I will say that a year ago when I was still a fan and a blogger, and he actually stayed in Texas with his first set of kids, he made a big deal out of the Soap Box Derby. He posted pics. In an article about his going home to recover from collarbone surgery, he said that for the next ten days, he was all about the Soap Box Derby car. But the race is the same time it was last year, and his older son was with him in France not long ago. Whoever keeps track of his schedule and private jet and houses and stuff should have blocked out his calendar for the Derby if it was really important to him. Why let his job and races that he signed up for well in advance conflict with his getting back to ATX, after he'd voluntarily spent weeks away from there in Hawaii, France, and South Africa?

It just seems like a rapid succession of changes. Suddenly he's fit. Remembers what a great dad he is & the Soap Box Derby. Doping control. Others are ill. He's ill. Train and race in America for a couple of months. I don't follow his twitter, but the rest of you can follow just how much of his time he spends in Texas with the family instead of racing for the team built around him.

On the topic of not hearing about him being sick through seven years of Tour wins - I don't know if he was then and it didn't coincide with races, or of he has really been sick lately, but twitter has really changed things. In those seven years, people would have had no idea what he was up to at 4:00 P.M. on a random day in January, and it wouldn't have been repeated in news stories around the globe. I'm just saying...

Swordsman Lance is only warming up. I do not have any idea how he is so incredibly active. It is baffling. The only true insight on Lance I have is when they did the tour buildup on OLN with Sheryl Crow. I had no idea how his life related to bike racing.
 
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