A normal rider in the shape of his life gets run over by a train.
As far as I know, Robert Gesink has never been seen as a top tier talent who was destined to win GT's. And his ITT has never been good. Have you got any articles about Gesink the Evenepoel-like talent?I disagree, the rider most destined too win GT's was clearly Gesink. He was looked at as a huge talent. Dumoulin was destined when he won the Giro perhaps but he was not looked at as a huge talent for GT's like Gesink.
What a silly comment lol, hardly anyone has had the hype like Evanepoel and rightly so. Got any on Dumoulin by any chance? lol i suggest you go and watch the 2008/2009 Vuelta a Espana at like 21 years of age or 22. Dumoulin was never looked at as destined for multiple GT's as you claim. Gesink perhaps not either but he was looked at as a far bigger talent than Dumoulin ever was. I was on here a decade ago before losing my login details when i changed laptop. Nibali being less of a rider/talent was a thing for a few years on here lmao.As far as I know, Robert Gesink has never been seen as a top tier talent who was destined to win GT's. And his ITT has never been good. Have you got any articles about Gesink the Evenepoel-like talent?
Not only this, but that the discussion was about an Australian player who's peak was two decades ago!Is there a more Kelderman thing than having your personal thread derailed by tennis talk while being that close to winning a GT?
I mean seriously give this guy a break.
Gesink showed huge potential in his first seasons as a pro, and was also able to do fine ITTs from time to time.As far as I know, Robert Gesink has never been seen as a top tier talent who was destined to win GT's. And his ITT has never been good. Have you got any articles about Gesink the Evenepoel-like talent?
Sorry dint mean to call you silly but just dint get the Evanepoel thing, Gesink was for sure looked at as more promising than Dumoulin was that is what im saying. I for sure thought he was the next best after Andy Schleck back in the day for the future. I thought he would nab a few GT's(not the TDF)Thanks for all the feedback. Differing opinions are classified as 'silly comments'? Nice.
I've been following cycling since around 1986, the Lemond Hinault LaVieClaire Tour rivalry. Gesink started out pretty bright as far as I remember, but in my opinion not on a more promising level than Dumoulin or Kelderman did. Can't remember he's ever been threatening to win a GT, but I'm happy to hear otherwise from you all. Maybe some Dutch people got a bit excited at the time as he was probably the most gifted new Dutch GT talent after a very barren spell since the Rooks/Theunisse/Breukink era that lasted until 1991. After that, only Boogerd who was 5th in the doping-tour of 1998 but never really troubled the big guns.
Thanks, no hard feelings.Sorry dint mean to call you silly but just dint get the Evanepoel thing, Gesink was for sure looked at as more promising than Dumoulin was that is what im saying. I for sure thought he was the next best after Andy Schleck back in the day for the future. I thought he would nab a few GT's(not the TDF)
Yup even Dumoulin when he took a dump was quite lucky and as you MVDP is a stone cold killer. The rest just don't seem to have it, maybe Arensman could be a future GT winner? He seems quite promising tbh just not sure if he is great in the high mountains.Thanks, no hard feelings.
Don't know if others agree, but I have this sneaking feeling that Dutch GT riders are too nice and they miss that extra snap in order to dominate. In cycling it sometimes helps to be an intimidating killer, be it in behavior like Hinault and Armstrong or in the race like Froome and Nibali. Kelderman, Gesink, Mollema, Kruijswijk, all nice guys but no killers. Even when one of them is the best, like Kruijswijk Giro 2016, he is put to the sword by killer Nibali. Even Dumoulin, who is really strong, was behaving in a self-defeating manner this year and seems to be happy to be a mere dom of Roglic. All these GT guys should have a good talk with Matthieu van der Poel.
It would have felt wrong if Kelderman had become the Dutch Giro d'Italia winner Erik Breukink never was!I'm Dutch and don't mind Sunweb's tactics. I was rooting for Kelderman, but he just was outclassed a LOT by Hart, Hindley and Dennis in the last two mountain stages. Wanna win the Giro and be a real champ? Follow them.
You mean if Ineos was even weaker than they already were? Hart wasn't even their leader, Thomas was. This is like saying "Almeida could have won if on top of Evenepoel, Thomas, Lopez, Vlasov and a dozen other stronger guys, also Kelderman, Hindley and Hart weren't there". I mean, he practically got it giftwrapped and still couldn't seal the deal.To be fair. I think Kelderman could have won this Giro if Ineos didn't have Rohan Dennis.
I don't think Hart (and with him Hindley) himself would be able to recup so much time if it was, say, Castroviejo instead of Dennis here.
That being said, the best riders are now in 1 and 2 so it feels very different than from when Kruijswijk lost pink while clearly being the best.
You don't have to agree. And while i'm sure he's had to fight back from injuries many times, i still didn't see a guy that would rather eat his bike than getting dropped. It's also not just about facial expressions, but squeezing the last bit of strength out of your body, about suffering. Obviously, this is down to interpretation, but to me he didn't look like that at all.He didnt try to follow Bilbao and Fugl because he was already totally spent from chasing the downhill and the flat part alone.
Bilbao and Fuglsang had eachother.
When Fugl saw they were catching he put in a tiny acceleration. Because he knew Kelderman would probably be spent from chasing alone. That was smart from Fuglsang. It had nothing to do with heart.
I'm kinda annoyed you, and many others unfortunately, often blame Kelderman for not fighting back or for having no fighting spirit. Which is simply because of the way his facial expressions are (i think). But that is not giving Kelderman any credit whatsoever. Apart from the countless amount of times he had to come back from a heavy injury, he never really gives up and never completely cracks. I think he honestly did what he could. And when people like you kinda rip into him like that I find it kinda easy criticism... and not warranted. I simply don't agree he doesn't have the fight Almeida does.
May I remind you Almeida did far worse on Stelvio while still having support around him... Should I say that's a lack of fighting spirit as well?
No, because i'm not blind to see Almeida fought hard.
Neither should you that Kelderman did.