Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[meat puppet]

Nobody is getting caught, no rumours about secret doping, so why the suspicions?
I think the most important factor here is a few generational talents spurring each other on. Remco's current level should have won him the tours of Bernal, Thomas, Wiggins, Sastre, Schleck, Nibali,... He would be close to challenging Froome and Contador. But Pogacar and Vingegard are just so good. The 2021 win of pogacar was so easy. The leap Vinge made in 2022 to beat a prime Pog. And then the ITT in 2023 of Vinge, just wow.
And how does the goat respond, by notching it up another level. Just like Nadal, Federer and Djok challenging each other.
Vinge launching Pogacar offcourse made him even faster. He just did the last 5,6 km?
Add the training, food, science, material,...

Man, evenepoel nuked pantani's historic record yesterday, so he was not close to challenging froome and contador. He blew them out of the water.

When that duo were household names, no one dared to think pantani's records would be eclipsed. At least on this forum.

 

[Wyndbrook]

Agreed. I was pretty sure he was going to crack on today's stage, at least looking at it ahead of the race. He's managed his energy really, really well. He's definitely helped by not having any decent rivals at the moment.

(on a side note, I cannot believe how out of form so many riders are like S. Yates, hindley,Mas, Gall etc...)

They're all totally demoralised.

 

[Berniece]

In an interview with HLN he said that he isn't planning to attack for the 2nd place of Vingegaard if that puts his 3rd place in danger. Get bigger balls Remco! Nonetheless if Pogacar or Vingegaard would have a bad day on the other hand, he will attack them and try something. He hopes for another stage victory but it will be difficult.

He also believes there is still some margin to grow the next few years. Changing training methods to aim purely for a GC, and he might be able to lose some more weight.

“Nog een ritzege zou mooi zijn”: Evenepoel zag zichzelf een van beste klimprestaties ooit leveren, maar blijft gefocust

Remco Evenepoel (24) heeft zich op de tweede rustdag van de Tour de France opmerkelijk ontspannen getoond. Na een herstelritje met zijn ploeg nam hij de tijd voor een interview met VTM NIEUWS-journalist Stijn Vlaeminck. De kopman van Soudal Quick-Step, momenteel derde in het algemeen klassement...

www.hln.be

 

[Lequack]

In an interview with HLN he said that he isn't planning to attack for the 2nd place of Vingegaard if that puts his 3rd place in danger. Get bigger balls Remco! Nonetheless if Pogacar or Vingegaard would have a bad day on the other hand, he will attack them and try something. He hopes for another stage victory but it will be difficult.

He also believes there is still some margin to grow the next few years. Changing training methods to aim purely for a GC, and he might be able to lose some more weight.

“Nog een ritzege zou mooi zijn”: Evenepoel zag zichzelf een van beste klimprestaties ooit leveren, maar blijft gefocust

Remco Evenepoel (24) heeft zich op de tweede rustdag van de Tour de France opmerkelijk ontspannen getoond. Na een herstelritje met zijn ploeg nam hij de tijd voor een interview met VTM NIEUWS-journalist Stijn Vlaeminck. De kopman van Soudal Quick-Step, momenteel derde in het algemeen klassement...

www.hln.be

Finally, Evenepoel also spoke about the climb times on Plateau de Beille. Pogacar pulverized the best time with no less than four minutes, but Vingegaard and Evenepoel also drove up considerably faster than Marco Pantani in 1998. “I think Pogacar has cut off a bit of a route somewhere,” jokes the young Belgian.

“I’ve never experienced anything like it yesterday. Certainly not after a stage of two hundred kilometers and 5,000 altitude meters. It was quite heavy, but I drove up the final climb. I think I was above six watts per kilometer. Tadej’s performance was really huge.”
“Probably this is the best forty-minute effort we’ve ever seen in cycling. If you see that he improves Pantani’s time by four minutes, you are from another planet. Yes, we're going fast! But I’m also proud to be faster than Pantani.”

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Changing training methods to aim purely for a GC, and he might be able to lose some more weight.

Remco doesn't know what he's talking about. Lose more weight. We had an expert here on the show, to declare his metabolism prevents him from doing that. In fact he is already below what the expert told us was possible.

 

[James M]

Remco doesn't know what he's talking about. Lose more weight. We had an expert here on the show, to declare his metabolism prevents him from doing that. In fact he is already below what the expert told us was possible.

Who said that?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Who said that?

A guy who has repeatedly called me a liar without getting banned, but i can't tell you who because it would get me banned for harassment.

 

[James M]

A guy who has repeatedly called me a liar without getting banned, but i can't tell you who because it would get me banned for harassment.

Oh a user get it. Thought you meant a comedy show when you said show. My bad.

 

[SHAD0W93]

A guy who has repeatedly called me a liar without getting banned, but i can't tell you who because it would get me banned for harassment.

Something about this sounds very similar but I can’t think of a good name for it.

Who said that?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I must admit, it seems i unwillingly "lied" (i misremembered and mixed up two things) about Evenepoel's weight in Valencia 2022. It wasn't 68kg like i mentioned a few times recently. But it was "only" 66.5kg. I think i mixed it up with his actual winter /off-season weight, with Valencia happening early February. I just started digging through the topic back to '22 and it was reported as 66.5kg at the time. So my humblest apologies for that.

 

[Berniece]

Oh a user get it. Thought you meant a comedy show when you said show. My bad.

This forum can be seen as a comedy show a lot of times. Definitely the specific rider topics

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

Nobody is getting caught, no rumours about secret doping, so why the suspicions?
I think the most important factor here is a few generational talents spurring each other on. Remco's current level should have won him the tours of Bernal, Thomas, Wiggins, Sastre, Schleck, Nibali,... He would be close to challenging Froome and Contador. But Pogacar and Vingegard are just so good. The 2021 win of pogacar was so easy. The leap Vinge made in 2022 to beat a prime Pog. And then the ITT in 2023 of Vinge, just wow.
And how does the goat respond, by notching it up another level. Just like Nadal, Federer and Djok challenging each other.
Vinge launching Pogacar offcourse made him even faster. He just did the last 5,6 km?
Add the training, food, science, material,...

Why post this here?

 

[James M]

Why post this here?

Cause it make sense?

This forum can be seen as a contest show a lot of times. Definitely the specific rider topics

Ive come to understand it can be animosity betwen users which I dont get but might be cause im a new fish still

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

Cause it make sense?

Ive come to understand it can be animosity betwen users which I dont get but might be cause im a new fish still

Since you are new ...
There's a specific forum to discuss the unseemly of cycling called the Clinic.

 

[Red Rick]

In an interview with HLN he said that he isn't planning to attack for the 2nd place of Vingegaard if that puts his 3rd place in danger. Get bigger balls Remco! Nonetheless if Pogacar or Vingegaard would have a bad day on the other hand, he will attack them and try something. He hopes for another stage victory but it will be difficult.

He also believes there is still some margin to grow the next few years. Changing training methods to aim purely for a GC, and he might be able to lose some more weight.

“Nog een ritzege zou mooi zijn”: Evenepoel zag zichzelf een van beste klimprestaties ooit leveren, maar blijft gefocust

Remco Evenepoel (24) heeft zich op de tweede rustdag van de Tour de France opmerkelijk ontspannen getoond. Na een herstelritje met zijn ploeg nam hij de tijd voor een interview met VTM NIEUWS-journalist Stijn Vlaeminck. De kopman van Soudal Quick-Step, momenteel derde in het algemeen klassement...

www.hln.be

Realistically, his best shot is Vingegaard suicide attacking Pogacar anyway.

I see very little room for ambitious moves, apart from like attacking solo between Bonette and Isola 2000 and hope Vingegaard and Pogacar won't work together.

Such a weird position to be in. Clearly in the best form of his life, but also not really in the race in that he's on his own little island in GC.

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

Realistically, his best shot is Vingegaard suicide attacking Pogacar anyway.

I see very little room for ambitious moves, apart from like attacking solo between Bonette and Isola 2000 and hope Vingegaard and Pogacar won't work together.

Such a weird position to be in. Clearly in the best form of his life, but also not really in the race in that he's on his own little island in GC.

No reason to attack, he needs to use a little energy as possible to conserve his podium as the Olympic ITT is a bigger target.

 

[Berniece]

Realistically, his best shot is Vingegaard suicide attacking Pogacar anyway.

I see very little room for ambitious moves, apart from like attacking solo between Bonette and Isola 2000 and hope Vingegaard and Pogacar won't work together.

Such a weird position to be in. Clearly in the best form of his life, but also not really in the race in that he's on his own little island in GC.

Yeah, which is a very easy position to be in. Just let UAE and Visma do their thing, and once they attack ride your own pace which is too high for the rest

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Realistically, his best shot is Vingegaard suicide attacking Pogacar anyway.

I see very little room for ambitious moves, apart from like attacking solo between Bonette and Isola 2000 and hope Vingegaard and Pogacar won't work together.

Such a weird position to be in. Clearly in the best form of his life, but also not really in the race in that he's on his own little island in GC.

I don't know. I think Vingegaard will try, but i'm afraid he will soon find out it's of little use. I can see a scenario where Vingegaard goes for it a couple of times, but stops as soon as he sees Pog isn't dropping. Maybe Evenepoel could come back when the tempo drops, and sneaks off himself on the other side of the road. Neither of the other two wanting to react, Vingegaard demoralized, Pog not needing to attack. Possibly one of them then tries to drop the other and bridge to Evenepoel eventually. With some luck (for Evenepoel) that isn't Vingegaard and they can then work together. Could happen.

Other than that, his options are limited, just as Vingegaard's are. But i give him a better shot at becoming 2nd, than Vingegaard getting 1st tbh. They could both try long range attacks with pawns in the breakaway. But both UAE (in Vingegaard's case) as Visma (in Evenepoel's case) are too strong for that to have a realistic shot at succeeding imho.

 

[Berniece]

I don't know. I think Vingegaard will try, but i'm afraid he will soon find out it's of little use. I can see a scenario where Vingegaard goes for it a couple of times, but stops as soon as he sees Pog isn't dropping. Maybe Evenepoel could come back when the tempo drops, and sneaks off himself on the other side of the road. Neither of the other two wanting to react, Vingegaard demoralized, Pog not needing to attack. Possibly one of them then tries to drop the other and bridge to Evenepoel eventually. With some luck (for Evenepoel) that isn't Vingegaard and they can then work together. Could happen.

Other than that, his options are limited, just as Vingegaard's are. But i give him a better shot at becoming 2nd, than Vingegaard getting 1st tbh. They could both try long range attacks with pawns in the breakaway. But both UAE (in Vingegaard's case) as Visma (in Evenepoel's case) are too strong for that to have a realistic shot at succeeding imho.

On stage 17, SOQ could send someone ahead, and Evenepoel could bridge on Col du Noyer. But the differences won't be big if Visma starts chasing, the effort will be hard, so he is probably going to save himself for the last 3 stages.

 

[Red Rick]

I don't know. I think Vingegaard will try, but i'm afraid he will soon find out it's of little use. I can see a scenario where Vingegaard goes for it a couple of times, but stops as soon as he sees Pog isn't dropping. Maybe Evenepoel could come back when the tempo drops, and sneaks off himself on the other side of the road. Neither of the other two wanting to react, Vingegaard demoralized, Pog not needing to attack. Possibly one of them then tries to drop the other and bridge to Evenepoel eventually. With some luck (for Evenepoel) that isn't Vingegaard and they can then work together. Could happen.

Other than that, his options are limited, just as Vingegaard's are. But i give him a better shot at becoming 2nd, than Vingegaard getting 1st tbh. They could both try long range attacks with pawns in the breakaway. But both UAE (in Vingegaard's case) as Visma (in Evenepoel's case) are too strong for that to have a realistic shot at succeeding imho.

Yeah anything he can do is outrageously optimistic and basically fantasy cycling stuff.

I think the most likely scenario is Vingegaard will just attack Bonette, and then maybe Pogacar counters there already or does nothing, but I can see Evenepoel closing a gap in the valley only to get dropped on Isola again.

Isola should be better for him than Beille though

 

[hayneplane]

I don't know. I think Vingegaard will try, but i'm afraid he will soon find out it's of little use. I can see a scenario where Vingegaard goes for it a couple of times, but stops as soon as he sees Pog isn't dropping. Maybe Evenepoel could come back when the tempo drops, and sneaks off himself on the other side of the road. Neither of the other two wanting to react, Vingegaard demoralized, Pog not needing to attack. Possibly one of them then tries to drop the other and bridge to Evenepoel eventually. With some luck (for Evenepoel) that isn't Vingegaard and they can then work together. Could happen.

Other than that, his options are limited, just as Vingegaard's are. But i give him a better shot at becoming 2nd, than Vingegaard getting 1st tbh. They could both try long range attacks with pawns in the breakaway. But both UAE (in Vingegaard's case) as Visma (in Evenepoel's case) are too strong for that to have a realistic shot at succeeding imho.

That is plausible. I think he is handling having great form but being left behind every time very maturely in recognition that he is riding very well but the other two are all time great level.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Remco Evenepoel lost 2:51 min on a climb to Pogačar, but his performance still was the 23rd best of all-time as he pushed 6.53 ᵉW/Kg for 42:41, which for sea level normalised is 6.81 ᵉW/Kg. Evenepoel’s performance still is the third best in the 21st century. Pogačar’s Stage 14 effort on Pla d’Adet is the fourth best.

Ridiculous if you think about it. Third best performance of the 21st century. Third best performance of July 14th 2024.

 

[Taxus4a]

Ridiculous if you think about it. Third best performance of the 21st century. Third best performance of July 14th 2024.

Yes, people that to evaluate a performance just look at the wattios/kilo have a problem. Mainly becouse just he knows his real watts of the day.

 

[red_flanders]

Ridiculous if you think about it. Third best performance of the 21st century. Third best performance of July 14th 2024.

He can't climb in the high mountains.

 

[velaso montador]

Loved to watch Remco on stage 15 aswell so happy that my prediction before the Tour about him was right so far.

He is clearly doing his best ever GT so far without a doubt and more so than anything it makes me look ahead for the future with very very bright regards for him.

His trajectory if you would compare it to a stock is looking like its ready to take off if he holds in to Nice im 99% sure he will take off next years if thats the case. The talent and power is undeniable there and this would be a huge step in the right direction which is the only important part you would look for him in at this stage. Big things to come if thats the case.

Allez allez Evenpoel.