A talent that only comes around once in a generation. Ironically there are two currently. I do not count Jonas because he doesn't win important one day races.What's that?
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A talent that only comes around once in a generation. Ironically there are two currently. I do not count Jonas because he doesn't win important one day races.What's that?
Not my problem when you cannot read graphs from links that you post.It's based on the calculations of lanternerouge.com and nothing more than that.
Greatest Climbing Performances Of All-Time on Plateau de Beille | Tour de France 2024 Stage 15 - Lanterne Rouge
Tadej Pogačar and Jonas Vingegaard both did the best and second-best climbing performance of all time on the Plateau de Beille climb, making this the greatest climbing stage of all time.lanternerouge.com
Please keep up before you throw a hissy fit.
Maybe all that is true, but almedia is not one of the greaters climber of this era, whatever the numbers said.It's based on the calculations of lanternerouge.com and nothing more than that.
Greatest Climbing Performances Of All-Time on Plateau de Beille | Tour de France 2024 Stage 15 - Lanterne Rouge
Tadej Pogačar and Jonas Vingegaard both did the best and second-best climbing performance of all time on the Plateau de Beille climb, making this the greatest climbing stage of all time.lanternerouge.com
Please keep up before you throw a hissy fit.
Want some candy?
These two have really embraced each other.When its properly nr 1 and 2 rider in the world its just really awesome!
View: https://x.com/LeTour/status/1813266866514649311
I dunno...I would have agreed without seeing that photo that was posted immediately before, but Remco seems much more vascular. Probably just a quirk of Tadej's physiology, though.There's an asymptotic ceiling on improvement the better you get the less room there is too improve, I'm not sure how much more Pogacar can improve at this point. He already looks like a skeleton. Remco is much thinner than he has been but he still has more weight to lose to look like a malnourished alien like Tadej and Jonas.
Exactly. People (fans of riders who are being exalted here) are blindly regurgitating this, forgetting a few things:I have no idea why this continues to be parrotted as some sort of truth when it is incredibly disingenious and not even correct . Guess people are just going to ignore Basso on Mont Bondone in 2006.
It's not even the third best climbing performance of the last weekend, but somehow people can't even remember Pogacar's Pla D'Adet climbing performance where he broke the climbing record for Pla D'Adet by nearly two minutes.
Exactly. You can cite all the numbers you want, but you're not going to convince me that Landa, 9 years after he dropped Contador on Finestre, is a better climber now riding as pack fodder than he was then. Or that Almeida and Buitrago are suddenly better climbers than Roglic or than peak Froome or Contador or Lance.Maybe all that is true, but almedia is not one of the greaters climber of this era, whatever the numbers said.
Of course he is doing a very good Tour and he is climbing very well. He was quite far fron his team mate, but anyway a good performance if you look at history. It is one of the best performances of Landa for sure in numbers, but in terms of proportional level whenj he droped Contador at Finestre for me is another level. I dont compare con tador with Jonas or Pogacar, they are much better riders and climbers, but Contador should be at least as good climber as Evenepoel is today (he will improve, for sure, at least a little)
They are conflating "best estimated watts/kilogram during a climb that LR has selected from the database for consideration" with "best performance." Winning matters. I'm prepared to admit that Pogacar might have had the best climbing performance (or as good as any) yesterday, but telling me getting third, down by 2.5 minutes, all in the last few kilometers is better than any of the stunning performances we've had all century, or even in the last 3 years? Come on. Maybe it has a higher watts/kg estimate using their assumptions and calculation, but it's not better, and Remco wouldn't have dominated the last 4 Tours.I said that because that is what lanternerouge.com said:
But I see your point about Basso and the graphic.
Maybe they didn't include Pogacar and Vingegaard's PdB ascents in that statement.
Tbh, I rather have him end the Tour smart and keep enough in the tank for an olympic gold, than otherwise.A bit disappointing, but Evenepoel isn’t going to attack and only look to riders behind him in the GC. He just wants the podium and has no intentions to go for more. I get why, since it’s his first Tour, but still…
link ?oh, QS is confident he will beat Vingo. See the article in the race thread here and in the clinic
Link?A bit disappointing, but Evenepoel isn’t going to attack and only look to riders behind him in the GC. He just wants the podium and has no intentions to go for more. I get why, since it’s his first Tour, but still…
The guy in 5th Place? You mean the guy that ran domestique work for him 4 two weeks...his teammate? He was responding to cover the fact that no one else had a teammate up the road; as he should. Yates could probably explain the tactical elements of racing but let's not confuse the wattage output as a basis of greatness.It doesn't for this purpose. Winner of TdF 2019 stage 14 Thibaut Pinot was not stronger than the second of TdF 2024 Stage 15 Jonas Vingegaard. In fact, the latter was way stronger than the former.
Evenepoel broke Pantani's PdB record by ~40 seconds. He was almost 3 minutes faster than the elite group of 2015, including Froome.
Just look at the result then:
1.POGACAR Tadej UAD 5h13'55" 80 2.VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas TVL 01'08" 50 3.EVENEPOEL Remco SOQ 02'51" 35 4.LANDA MEANA Mikel SOQ 03'54" 25 5.ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves UAD 04'43" 15 6.YATES Adam UAD 04'56" 10 7.BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago TBV 05'08" 5 8.RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos IGD 05'08" 3 9.CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio EFE 05'41" 2 10.GALL Felix DAT 05'57" 1
Forget about W/Kg, Pogacar was nearly 5 minutes faster than the rider in fifth place. On a 40-45 minute climb. That is more than a 10% difference. Someone like Rodriguez isn't a random pleb rider, he's the leader of INEOS, and excels at these type of efforts.
If you remove Pogacar and Vingegaard from the results, Evenepoel won by a minute, and was two minutes faster than the rider in third place.
link ?
The article mentions it as 3rd best climbing performance. Not sure whether that is because they overlooked Basso's Bondone climb and screwed up, or whether they calculated different parameters (altitude etc) into the effort or the length and difficulty of the stage, which in all cases (altitude, length, difficulty) the Giro stage of 2006 was a lot easier. It doesn't really matter much either, whether it is 3rd or 4th. Point is that it is up there, and also beyond Pog's and Vinge's previous efforst.Not my problem when you cannot read graphs from links that you post.
You literally said 3rd best climb of the 21st centruy and that is not true.
Do not not see the curve on the bottom graph and notice the blue dot that's way above the Remco dot?
That's literally far above Remco's performance for a longer time.
Link?Link?
I'm not seeing any directions or links towards a post with a link or a link. I've even gone into the clinic thread which i usually don't do and did not find a link like you said.See my post. It directs you to the race thread here and in the clinic
Remco don't take candy from him...he's your enemyWant some candy?
These two have really embraced each other.When its properly nr 1 and 2 rider in the world its just really awesome!
View: https://x.com/LeTour/status/1813266866514649311
Link?
I'm not seeing any directions or links towards a post with a link or a link. I've even gone into the clinic thread which i usually don't do and did not find a link like you said.
Thanks for the link. However, i did look, in the clinic in Evenepoel's topic and in the stage 15 topic. When i go back to the first post in that topic, i still see no link to the article you posted above.You obviously didn't look because it would hit you in the face in the first post of the thread
Mikel Landa has "little doubt" that Remco Evenepoel can still contest second place at Tour de France against Jonas Vingegaard
Mikel Landa is the best Spaniard in the Tour de France classification. He is fifth, with Joao Almeida only a few seconds ahead of him and Carlos Rodriguez close behind. So far he has always stayed alo...cyclinguptodate.com
I do not find anything remotely similar in the article you posted. First of all, it's not SQS, but simply Landa's opinion, and furthermore, i don't see any such declarations by him. Basically "the team is sure he will beat Vingegaard" becomes "Landa thinks he still has a chance to beat Vingegaard".oh, QS is confident he will beat Vingo. See the article in the race thread here and in the clinic
Thanks for the link. However, i did look, in the clinic in Evenepoel's topic and in the stage 15 topic. When i go back to the first post in that topic, i still see no link to the article you posted above.
https://forum.cyclingnews.com/threads/tour-de-france-stage-15-post-race-thread.39811/
As for your orignal statement:
I do not find anything remotely similar in the article you posted. First of all, it's not SQS, but simply Landa's opinion, and furthermore, i don't see any such declarations by him. Basically "the team is sure he will beat Vingegaard" becomes "Landa thinks he still has a chance to beat Vingegaard".
Link?
He also says there still may be some opportunities considering his margin to 4th/5th place is substantial. I think if he feels something is possible or Vingegaard shows some weakness, he might try something. But that he's not going to just do whatever it takes to try and take time on Vingegaard as if they were battling for yellow.Job done voor Evenepoel en Soudal Quick-Step: 'Komende dagen gaan voor ons wat kalmer zijn'
Job done: dat was de enige conclusie die witte truiwww.indeleiderstrui.nl
Your point is lost in the rush to find a trending/illegal boost in performance and the implication you make is a disingenuous nod to doping with absence of specific evidence . No one here is totally naive so that dialogue is real and has a venue. Go there and beat your drum or whatever gets you off.So what? He finished 5th didn't he?
Is the 5th best rider of the day losing 5 minutes to the winner, in a single climb, in the biggst race of the year, supposed to be normal now? Can you give some other examples where that happened?
Pogacar rides for Gianetti.
What's your point?
Yeah but I don't see him attacking today for example. He won't force it himself knowing what is coming the following days.He also says there still may be some opportunities considering his margin to 4th/5th place is substantial. I think if he feels something is possible or Vingegaard shows some weakness, he might try something. But that he's not going to just do whatever it takes to try and take time on Vingegaard as if they were battling for yellow.