Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Andre]

The bot did not write it I did! the bot simply rearranged my own words!

please do not use bots for anything. I, personally, would much prefer to see your own words arranged in your own fashion. I say this not in an offensive way, but only because it is a charming thing to read people's writings in their own original fashion. To hell with AI...it's like those singers who can't hold a tune and have a machine to rectify their false notes.

 

[peterfin]

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[houtdffan]

I think we can say for sure that Remco is not going to Red Bull next year as was rumored during the Tour

 

[Berniece]

At MSR... things have changed a lot since 2019-2020. Back then i said Evenepoel would certainly win it. But as we saw this year, even an all-star team of UAE couldn't break the peloton before the Poggio. So Evenepoel going solo seems doomed.

I’m not sure going before Poggio is doomed. UAE goes hard on Cipressa and riders are able to follow, but they are completely dead. I don’t understand why Pogacar doesn’t try to go from there, instead of letting them recuperate and try on Poggio again.

 

[tobydawq]

I’m not sure going before Poggio is doomed. UAE goes hard on Cipressa and riders are able to follow, but they are completely dead. I don’t understand why Pogacar doesn’t try to go from there, instead of letting them recuperate and try on Poggio again.

That was explained quite in detail to you before Sanremo this year...

With Remco as a playmate, there is a chance for a Cipressa move now.

 

[Oldermanish]

OMFG. Please read the discussion or at least make the effort to reply to the correct person. Accelerating out of the corner being at Evenepoel's advantage was not MY argument. It was what Stekelegel was claiming and Red Rick and Netserk adding fuel to the fire. You saying he didn't even get out of the saddle proves my point further, that he did NOT win due to having superior acceleration.

Girmay was not even trying and being a lousy TT'er to boot means your comparison is moot. Their claim (again, NOT mine) was that riders who contest/win bunch sprints can have worse acceleration than Evenepoel. To which i asked an example. You then pointed towards Girmay, meaning you either think Girmay has worse acceleration than Evenepoel (in general, not just this TT which he put no effort into), or you simply didn't understand what the discussion was about.

Good you have some grace from YFG.
My point was Remco largely relied on good pacing (his rpms on straights were equal with Ganna and higher turnover than most others) as did track rider Ganna. On wet and technical sections of a course that is the best way to manage the combo of good recon and line selection along with pacing. You don't sprint, you accelerate that spin up into gears that, if you are in a straight section you could get out of the saddle. In a TT it's best to stay in the most aero position and higher cadence is helpful. Thrashing out of the saddle is almost always slower. Remco actually appeared to accelerate speed as well as anyone and had more efficient lines through the corner saving time there, mostly seated. Tarling was crushing huge gears on the straights but also nearly connected with barriers on several occasions and was out of the saddle to regain pace. Arguably he showed the most strength but wasted it.

Girmay's example was an attempt at some levity. Must've lost you on that one.

 

[Oldermanish]

I think we should all remember that it’s not about the rain or no rain, luck or no luck. This is just another time that Remco won something because no one else peaked and no one else really cared. Is the Olympics a big deal at all?

Remember what that Daniel guy always say, Remco is a small dog.

I think he had the best fitness for this event. He maintained a high cadence throughout and was calm through transitions. The top 10 definitely cared as did many others but what could they do? Wout definitely prepared as best he could for this and a win would've made Ganna's season.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Girmay's example was an attempt at some levity. Must've lost you on that one.

Considering none of what you have posted the past few pages was relevant to the discussion i was having with others, you lost me on all accounts. I'm done wasting time here.

 

[ManicJack]

I skipped the last few pages. Which one of you won?

 

[Didinho]

We’re gonna have a Pogi-Remco Cipressa duo attack untill San Remo.

 

[houtdffan]

That was explained quite in detail to you before Sanremo this year...

With Remco as a playmate, there is a chance for a Cipressa move now.

wonder if the Pamplona will be inserted between Ciapressa and Poggio

If so, say hello to Milano San Remco

 

[tobydawq]

wonder if the Pamplona will be inserted between Ciapressa and Poggio

If so, say hello to Milano San Remco

Seems like quite a detour to go to Northern Spain.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I skipped the last few pages. Which one of you won?

You did.

 

[houtdffan]

Seems like quite a detour to go to Northern Spain.

oops. got my climbs mixed up...

Pompeiana

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

You can turn on automatic subtitles, for those who don't speak Dutch.
Talk about Evenepoel breaking protocol and asking the king of Belgium questions.
About splitting earned bonuses among teammates, soigneurs and staff members.
About being star struck when meeting OG idols (Nadal, Lebron, Bolt, Phelps...)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfWvYRQuXp0

 

[Berniece]

That was explained quite in detail to you before Sanremo this year...

With Remco as a playmate, there is a chance for a Cipressa move now.

I can’t remember that

 

[scribers]

I think we can say for sure that Remco is not going to Red Bull next year as was rumored during the Tour

Lefevre never said who remco would race for at msr and Flanders

 

[Valv.Piti]

Considering none of what you have posted the past few pages was relevant to the discussion i was having with others, you lost me on all accounts. I'm done wasting time here.

Dunno why you keep engaging in discussion like that over and over again about Remco's weight, cornering and what not.

 

[tobydawq]

Dunno why you keep engaging in discussion like that over and over again about Remco's weight, cornering and what not.

He has endurance similar to Remco.

 

[Monte Serra]

You can turn on automatic subtitles, for those who don't speak Dutch.
Talk about Evenepoel breaking protocol and asking the king of Belgium questions.
About splitting earned bonuses among teammates, soigneurs and staff members.
About being star struck when meeting OG idols (Nadal, Lebron, Bolt, Phelps...)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfWvYRQuXp0

Team spirit looks great ahead of Saturday! There's a nice chemistry between Wout and Remco.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

He has endurance similar to Remco.

Dude, i'd snatch that OG gold in the blink of an eye.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Dodging counterarguments like Evenepoel dodges air resistance.

Which counterarguments are you talking about? That Evenepoel is like Van der Poel? A counterargument needs to be hinged in reality just ever so slightly, in order to be taken seriously. Your counterargument unfortunately did not meet the requirements.

 

[Sciatic]

You did.

Ha! Great reply 🤩

 

[stekelegel]

He was the best, there is no doubt.

But…somehow the plans of Tarling and Ganna went in the trash, but the two Belgians didn’t have to deal with this problem? They didn’t make pacing plans for the Olympic Games? They just showed up and winged it, which gave them an advantage over the guys who…I guess didn’t have access to the internet to see a week ago that it was going to rain?

Can’t be hearing that right so I wonder if you can clarify.

Ofc they planned the olympics. Very much so. The wheels thing from WVA was being planned in the winter. Remco worked hard on his allready phenomal aero. In fact, last year, when the 2024 planning was being made for Remco, and the big TDF or not discussion was going on, people close to him and the team told me several times the olympic gold was what Remco had in mind most of all. Good route for him, close to home, only every 4 years, might not happen again.
Just both of them falling first disrupted the planned scenario's, WVA riding the tour in a desperate attempt to get up to pace again, Remco first racing to get to a 100% and then performing superbly but having to dig deep for 3 weeks....
So both of them (WVA even more) were not ideally where they wanted to be in that last week before the ITT. Remco stated he only started to get his legs back on friday.
Compare that to the route of Ganna and Tarling, they both had almost perfect prep. And ofc they would have planned for rain to, it just ads an x factor, that I think helped the riders coming from the TDF. Just my thought, not a fact.

 

[Oldermanish]

Ofc they planned the olympics. Very much so. The wheels thing from WVA was being planned in the winter. Remco worked hard on his allready phenomal aero. In fact, last year, when the 2024 planning was being made for Remco, and the big TDF or not discussion was going on, people close to him and the team told me several times the olympic gold was what Remco had in mind most of all. Good route for him, close to home, only every 4 years, might not happen again.
Just both of them falling first disrupted the planned scenario's, WVA riding the tour in a desperate attempt to get up to pace again, Remco first racing to get to a 100% and then performing superbly but having to dig deep for 3 weeks....
So both of them (WVA even more) were not ideally where they wanted to be in that last week before the ITT. Remco stated he only started to get his legs back on friday.
Compare that to the route of Ganna and Tarling, they both had almost perfect prep. And ofc they would have planned for rain to, it just ads an x factor, that I think helped the riders coming from the TDF. Just my thought, not a fact.

You have some great points; both had ridden in tight fields and bad weather. That can make you fairly chill when you need to address wet pavement. In all fairness to Ganna; Remco had the splits ahead of him in his ear so he'd have an idea how hard to press. When you know who crashed or went slower in every section ahead of you it is helpful. He looked totally comfortable spinning on the straights, too. Good thing he woke up Friday.