Can we stop using the word "dropped" when speaking about stages 4 and 9?
So now we're at the point where we need to redefine words else they apply to Evenepoel. He was just attacking backwards.
So much discussion about what 'dropping' means yet nobody offers a definition.
I find the term dropped offensive.
Can we use gained time instead?
I would say "permanently, or for the duration of a race phase, distancing another rider by a clear time margin". You could say Weening dropped De Gendt in Catalunya 2016 on the penultimate climb, but De Gendt steamrolled past Weening on the last climb and won by nearly 2 minutes. Had Weening attacked on the last climb, and De Gendt passed him on the same climb, i think it's hard to say "Weening dropped De Gendt". Such a phase could be formed by the terrain (sterrati, cobbled sector, climb...) or by race dynamics (forming of groups, regrouping...).So much discussion about what 'dropping' means yet nobody offers a definition.
I appreciate the moderation offered, but i'm not changing my Bjorg Lambrecht avatar anytime soon. I also didn't say it's impossible for Bernal to hold Evenepoel's wheel on a false flat, i simply didn't/dont' agree it's an impossible outcome, considering i can think of numerous scenarios in which this could unfold. To take the easy way out, if Evenepoel only once drops Bernal on a false flat, somewhere in the next 10 years, Red Rick loses. If it doesn't happen, we'll still have to wait 10 years to be sure, and by that time you will all have forgotten about this silly wager. Either way, i win.The point of a wager isn't that you should agree, so I can't see the purpose of this evasive response.
I'll propose the avatar bet between you:
Will Remco Evenepoel drop (distance and maintain a gap to) Egan Bernal, while the latter is on the wheel of the former, on a [gradient of less than 5 %, or whatever you'll agree constitutes false flat] in this Giro?
If yes, Logic will pick an avatar for Red Rick to wear from after the Giro until [the end of the Tour, but you'll may agree to a different duration]. If no, vice versa.
Attacking backwards. Awaiting team orders. Had something in his eye. Suckered his rival into wearing pink and losing an hour per day giving mandatory interviews.So now we're at the point where we need to redefine words else they apply to Evenepoel. He was just attacking backwards.
You are missing the point. The point being you can't extrapolate what happened on a short punchy climb to a 30 minute effort. The time difference was the time gained by the initial attack, not by climbing faster in a sustainable tempo.Did Evenepoel won or put time into Bernal, or I'm missing something...?
I'm just saying that he was dropped, and that he lost time, which by my modest opinion is true. On a +30min climbs, we will see soon...You are missing the point. The point being you can't extrapolate what happened on a short punchy climb to a 30 minute effort.