I'll be sure to remind you when he doesn'tyou just have to wait till the TDS to find out
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I'll be sure to remind you when he doesn'tyou just have to wait till the TDS to find out
houtdffan is definitely trying to rewrite history here, seems to me. I vividly remember that whole mid-late 80's period and it's safe to say LeMond basically was up against it that whole period. Even in his '89 tour (post-gunshot), he finished with 3 teammates (ADR), the best being over 2 hours down and none of whom could or would do a lick of work for him. He essentially won that one on his own. As far as the 85 and 86 Tours are concerned, his greatest weakness was A) being American, and B) that he was too nice a guy; his career might have benefitted from him being a calculating, selfish *** like Hinault. Even his wife mentions he was just lacking in 'méchanceté'; Hinault on the other hand was dripping with it.
The guy was world champion in 83 as a 21 year old, won it solo with zero team help, Cyrille flipping Guimard flies halfway around the world to sign him, and on and on. If LeMond had been French and had a personality like Hinault's, and not been shot by his idiot brother-in-law he'd have won every Tour from 85 to 92; so much of his career was spent with indifferent to non-existent team support due to his being American. Go to his wiki page and check out his palmares; much of his career story is boiled down to the gunshot and rivalry with Hinault but in spite of the fact he wasn't part of the European clique he compiled an incredible record. He was a brilliant one day racer as well; if you've never seen it watch a replay of the 1989 worlds in Chambery...he single-handedly chases down Fignon with Konyshev and Kelly (!!!) in his wheel and still wins the sprint. All this growing up in California, nowhere near Europe, at a time when being an American rider was like being from the dark side of the moon.
The guy was arguably as talented a rider as nearly anyone who has ever thrown a leg over a bike; ridiculous to watch people try to rewrite history. Sorry, I realize this is off-topic, just couldn't help myself.
To keep the pages ticking over to make it look likes he's popular.Why is everyone talking about Greg LeMond and Roche in the Remco thread?
He's a sissy when he doesn't dare to complete the tour de france and do the jersey credit. He will definitely be able to win some stages....and who knows...maybe he will be in better shape than he thinks and will be able to ride with Jonas and Tadej...... But now we will never find out .....not until next year.
People will only respect him if he stood up and said....hey guys.....I don't know where I'm at in terms of form........but I want to ride the Tour de France to figure it out and learn from it.... The goal will be a stage win.....The classification is not my primary focus because of my preparation for the Giro this year, but I want to fight and make the WC jersey proud in France.. ... and then I will prepare myself to ride the classification for the 2024 tour.
If he did that, all cycling fans would be in seventh heaven..... Now I just think he's a sissy
Well it's not Teide, but....Where have your read about altitude training before Tour de Suisse? According to his Strava he’s only been training in Belgium since he got healthy from Covid. I’m not that familiar with Belgium but I don’t think they have locations suited for altitude training….
Oh no! Mlarsen thinks he's a sissy.He's a sissy when he doesn't dare to complete the tour de france and do the jersey credit. He will definitely be able to win some stages....and who knows...maybe he will be in better shape than he thinks and will be able to ride with Jonas and Tadej...... But now we will never find out .....not until next year.
People will only respect him if he stood up and said....hey guys.....I don't know where I'm at in terms of form........but I want to ride the Tour de France to figure it out and learn from it.... The goal will be a stage win.....The classification is not my primary focus because of my preparation for the Giro this year, but I want to fight and make the WC jersey proud in France.. ... and then I will prepare myself to ride the classification for the 2024 tour.
If he did that, all cycling fans would be in seventh heaven..... Now I just think he's a sissy
I get it, it’s just the way they talk about it. It’s all just too precious.Everything was set for a peak in May. Trying to peak in July without rebuilding some of your training base is gonna be unpredictable. I think it's more likely he's good in Suisse and struggles in the 3rd week of the Tour, at which point you've succesfully ruined what was left of your season.
Exactly right.Everything was set for a peak in May. Trying to peak in July without rebuilding some of your training base is gonna be unpredictable. I think it's more likely he's good in Suisse and struggles in the 3rd week of the Tour, at which point you've succesfully ruined what was left of your season.
The big question is if Lemond were riding today, as an American, would he be crushing it? How would Lemond be on a Jumbo, an Ineos an UAE today?houtdffan is definitely trying to rewrite history here, seems to me. I vividly remember that whole mid-late 80's period and it's safe to say LeMond basically was up against it that whole period. Even in his '89 tour (post-gunshot), he finished with 3 teammates (ADR), the best being over 2 hours down and none of whom could or would do a lick of work for him. He essentially won that one on his own. As far as the 85 and 86 Tours are concerned, his greatest weakness was A) being American, and B) that he was too nice a guy; his career might have benefitted from him being a calculating, selfish *** like Hinault. Even his wife mentions he was just lacking in 'méchanceté'; Hinault on the other hand was dripping with it.
The guy was world champion in 83 as a 21 year old, won it solo with zero team help, Cyrille flipping Guimard flies halfway around the world to sign him, and on and on. If LeMond had been French and had a personality like Hinault's, and not been shot by his idiot brother-in-law he'd have won every Tour from 85 to 92; so much of his career was spent with indifferent to non-existent team support due to his being American. Go to his wiki page and check out his palmares; much of his career story is boiled down to the gunshot and rivalry with Hinault but in spite of the fact he wasn't part of the European clique he compiled an incredible record. He was a brilliant one day racer as well; if you've never seen it watch a replay of the 1989 worlds in Chambery...he single-handedly chases down Fignon with Konyshev and Kelly (!!!) in his wheel and still wins the sprint. All this growing up in California, nowhere near Europe, at a time when being an American rider was like being from the dark side of the moon.
The guy was arguably as talented a rider as nearly anyone who has ever thrown a leg over a bike; ridiculous to watch people try to rewrite history. Sorry, I realize this is off-topic, just couldn't help myself.
Yes, but unpredictable was also crashing twice on one stage and getting Covid at the Giro. He would not ruin the rest of his season by going to the Tour, but lay the foundations for a career.Everything was set for a peak in May. Trying to peak in July without rebuilding some of your training base is gonna be unpredictable. I think it's more likely he's good in Suisse and struggles in the 3rd week of the Tour, at which point you've succesfully ruined what was left of your season.
This is incorrect. It is possible for riders to improve, so 150% of your current or previous best level, is actually possible. I'm quite sure if i were to prepare for the Tour going from my current level or even my previous best ever level, i could start at 300% or something.Aw, all he needed was a good math teacher to tell him that you can't be above 100% of your level, and then he might have gone to the Tour![]()
Because they talk about Remco in every other thread on this forum so this thread is the safe place of non Remco chatWhy is everyone talking about Greg LeMond and Roche in the Remco thread?
Regarding his (drop of) form compared to the Giro:
Giro opening TT flat part, Evenepoel took 37 seconds on Küng over 16.5km.
Tour de Suisse flat opening TT, Küng takes 6 seconds on Evenepoel over 13km.
It doesn't work like what? Evenepoel didn't just beat Küng in the Giro, he also beat Ganna and everybody else by major differences, only 2 riders barely within 30s. Today he finishes 5 seconds ahead of Sheffield, 10 ahead of Price-Pejtersen and 18 ahead of Skjelmose. No disrespect to those riders, and surely we have to take into account this was a somewhat more technical TT, but i think the gap is a bit too big not to see that he is clearly not in the same shape he was going into the Giro.You know it doesn't work like that. Küng took 3 seconds on Vine in the Giro opening TT and now 27. All in all a good result today. If I were Van Aert I would worry a lot more.
We all knew that before todayIt doesn't work like what? Evenepoel didn't just beat Küng in the Giro, he also beat Ganna and everybody else by major differences, only 2 riders barely within 30s. Today he finishes 5 seconds ahead of Sheffield, 10 ahead of Price-Pejtersen and 18 ahead of Skjelmose. No disrespect to those riders, and surely we have to take into account this was a somewhat more technical TT, but i think the gap is a bit too big not to see that he is clearly not in the same shape he was going into the Giro.
No it is now canon that Almeida and TGH would've won this and Roglic woudl've finished s.t.Is that taking potential improvement in Küng's performance into account?