Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Big Doopie]

Remco's going sunday for two weeks on a high altitude camp , climbing training and and wil do heat sessions as well ...

And to lose a couple of kgs?

May need to and seems a bit short on time.

 

[Salvarani]

And to lose a couple of kgs?

May need to and seems a bit short on time.

Are you fat-shaming?

 

[SHAD0W93]

Too funny. Vingegaard planned for the Vuelta, Remco didn't!
a) Vingegaard announced his Vuelta participation after the Tour. Yes, it was probably in Jumbos mind from the start of the season, but he prepared for the Tour first and foremost.
b) For Roglic was always likely, but from what I remember not 100% decided either at the start of the season. His main goal of the season was the Giro as well.
c) It really makes little difference if you know that you will do the Vuelta in February or in June. Roglic wasn't preparing the Vuelta until after the Giro was over. Since then he's been on Vuelta course, so in theory should be the best prepared. We'll see how it turns out in practice, last year the Giro guys that rode virtually nothing between the Giro and the Vuelta mostly disappointed in the Vuelta. Hindley, Carapaz, Landa. Only Almeida somehow delivered. Same in 21, Bernal, Caruso and Vlasov all didn't deliver, Roglic got it right in 2019, he's 4 years older now and it doesn't seem to be that easy to get back in shape after a long break. Roglic with his high baseline, ok, should know what he's doing.
Vingegaard surely wasn't preparing the Vuelta before the end of the Tour. Completely unknown territory for him, and probably the preparation with the biggest question mark of the 3. Will he get it right the first time? It took Froome quite a few tries to do it.
Remco has been preparing the Vuelta since sometimes between the end of his Giro and the official announcement he would ride it. Including other goals, San Sebastian, Worlds. Basically the same program as last year. TdS, Nationals, San Sebastian. Then this time around the earlier Worlds. There's little reason he should not be able to prepare the Vuelta 23 as well as he did the Vuelta 22. No, preparation can't count as a preemptive explanation in case Remco doesn't win. Let's see first what he does anyway.

Unperturbed by not winning? Maybe unlike some of his fans he realizes he's not unbeatable, he knows he won't win every single race, he knows that sometimes he doesn't win and it's not because he wasn't giving it all, it wasn't because of sickness, but because, attention, shocking stuff coming, stop reading if you have a weak heart others simply were better. The mental games are all by people trying to explain things that don't need explaining. Mathieu Van der Poel was simply the best that day. Remco is mentally strong enough to accept that. Others don't seem to be.

There’s a difference between planning and preparing for a race just like there’s a difference between preparing for a GT and one day race. But keep on doing you.

 

[topcat]

Roglic is indeed the best prepped rider for the Vuelta (by far), he also did it before.
Vingegaard had the Vuelta in mind since the beginning of the year (according to JV, but the flow of information is very strange around it since he wasn't in the initial team roster for Vuelta). He is indeed a wildcard, but he didn't seem to be empty at the end of the tour, so i'm not expecting a complete bust.

Saying Remco prep is as good as 2022 is incorrect. His prepped started later and had an interrupt due to the WC. So less time before and no time after the classica. Which result in that his altitude adaptation will be diminishing before they hit the 3rd week. I have a hard time putting Remco as the favorite for the Vuelta, podium candidate for sure. (For the Giro he was the favorite, slightly above Roglic. Now he isn't)
Last year Classica was the in-between training camps. As indicated before, at this point in time his main goal was the WC ITT, the Vuelta is an add on/plugged in.



I think what Extinction meant wasn't that he didn't rode for the win, but that he let go when he knew he couldn't win/play for the knickers/get to the front. (Note that the group he was in was distanced due to a crash). So instead of being 10th and completely empty like the others he became 25th and it wasn't detriminal for his condition. So yes he held back, which is something he said himself (I didn't need to push myself in the last laps in the RR like Wout).

Once Remco realised he didn’t have it to play for the knickers (win), he didn’t bother playing for the bra strap (top ten), so that he could get inside the knickers in the TT.

 

[Panda Claws]

First rider to win a Grand Tour, a Monument, 🌈 RR & 🌈 ITT 🤩🤩

Who else won a WC RR and a WC TT to begin with?

 

[Drew]

Who else won a WC RR and a WC TT to begin with?

Olano.

 

[Unchained]

Lesson number one for young riders..don't let your numb skull family be your manager..

 

[Ulle97]

So is it correct to say that Remco won't race now before the Vuelta?

Just some training and maybe reconnaissance of key climbs?

 

[houtdffan]

So is it correct to say that Remco won't race now before the Vuelta?

Just some training and maybe reconnaissance of key climbs?

yep, altitude then Vuelta

 

[Peter von]

Lesson number one for young riders..don't let your numb skull family be your manager..

It is funny we often portray professional agents as predators and they steal money and all that.

But some of the top agents that earn top euro(more on football than cycling), seems to also have very happy clients. Despite being loathed by fans and teams.

 

[rghysens]

Olano.

Who also won a GT.
So Remco is only 2 LBL better than Olano.
Not thát great

 

[Lexman]

Lefevre wrote in Het Nieuwsblad that the team could be :
Jan Hirt
Mattia Cattaneo
Louis Vervaeke
Pieter Serry
James Knox
Andrea Bagioli

but it can be change ...

 

[Big Doopie]

Lefevre wrote in Het Nieuwsblad that the team could be :
Jan Hirt
Mattia Cattaneo
Louis Vervaeke
Pieter Serry
James Knox
Andrea Bagioli

but it can be change ...

Not great for the TTT.

 

[Big Doopie]

Who also won a GT.
So Remco is only 2 LBL better than Olano.
Not thát great

Comparing an entire career with a 23 year old.

The word “disingenuous” comes to mind.

 

[houtdffan]

send Alap there as the 8th. Alap was actually good as a dom last year

 

[red_flanders]

Comparing an entire career with a 23 year old.

The word “disingenuous” comes to mind.

I just assumed they were being facetious…

 

[yaco]

Not great for the TTT.

You are not going to lose much time in in a 14 km TTT.

 

[Riek s]

You are not going to lose much time in in a 14 km TTT.

Loosing 20s to Roglic/ vingegaard wouldn't be good and nothing he can do about.

 

[Red Rick]

Loosing 20s to Roglic/ vingegaard wouldn't be good and nothing he can do about.

It was 14s in 23km last year. I doubt a lot that it's gonna be 20s this year.

 

[Berniece]

Not great for the TTT.

The WC ITT winner will cover that

 

[Riek s]

It was 14s in 23km last year. I doubt a lot that it's gonna be 20s this year.

I consider last year SQS stronger with Cavagna and Van wilder over Cattaneo.
While i consider JV a lot stronger this year with Vingegaard, Baarle, Tratnik over Rohan Dennis.

 

[joseph89]

I consider lat year SQS stronger with Cavagna and Van wilder over Cattaneo.
While i consider JV a lot stronger this year with Vingegaard, Baarle, Tratnik over Rohan Dennis.

Cerny & cattaneo = cavagna & van wilder

 

[DNP-Old]

How good the individuals are says just about nothing about how good it operates in a TTT. Froome, Thomas, Kwiatkowski, Castroviejo, Bernal, Rowe, Poels and Moscon put a mere 3 seconds into Gilbert, Alaphilippe, Gaviria, Richeze, Declercq, Terpstra, Jungels and Lampaert over 35 kilometers. That same Sky team lost a TTT to Goss, Gerrans, Impey, Tuft, Albasini, Clarke, Lancaster, O'Grady and C. Meyer. Movistar would regularly win TTTs in La Vuelta.

 

[Riek s]

How good the individuals are says just about nothing about how good it operates in a TTT. Froome, Thomas, Kwiatkowski, Castroviejo, Bernal, Rowe, Poels and Moscon put a mere 3 seconds into Gilbert, Alaphilippe, Gaviria, Richeze, Declercq, Terpstra, Jungels and Lampaert over 35 kilometers. That same Sky team lost a TTT to Goss, Gerrans, Impey, Tuft, Albasini, Clarke, Lancaster, O'Grady and C. Meyer. Movistar would regularly win TTTs in La Vuelta.

yes, typically explosive guys tend to do well in a TTT. Guy like Alla, Gilbert, Gerrans, Impey, Ogrady, ...
That and of course tactics/how they ride together/form of the people.

But I don't see any explosive guys in the SQS group either. I think they need at least 2 people to hang on for dear life. All in all i think Roglic/vingegaard will have taken time on stage 1 of the Vuelta . I hope all of you are right and it won't be 20seconds.

Cerny & cattaneo = cavagna & van wilder

Cerny isn't listed in the post above though. I do see him listed on PCS start list, so yeah he could be good addition for the team in general.

 

[DNP-Old]

yes, typically explosive guys tend to do well in a TTT. Guy like Alla, Gilbert, Gerrans, Impey, Ogrady, ...
That and of course tactics/how they ride together/form of the people.

But I don't see any explosive guys in the SQS group either. I think they need at least 2 people to hang on for dear life. All in all i think Roglic/vingegaard will have taken time on stage 1 of the Vuelta . I hope all of you are right and it won't be 20seconds.



Cerny isn't listed in the post above though. I do see him listed on PCS start list, so yeah he could be good addition for the team in general.

It's a circuit with a fair amount of turns on a short distance. The team that wishes to push the turns the hardest, has a good chance of winning. I see about three sections where real time trial specialists can unleash their power. Otherwise, there isn't much room to really gain much time. It's a bit like Glasgow in that sense. Every time you're up to speed you'd have to brake again because there's a turn coming up.

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