Tom just wasn't confident enough to win those.You are 100% correct and that is proven by Dumoulins long list of victories in one day races, which is very equal to Remcos palmares.
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Tom just wasn't confident enough to win those.You are 100% correct and that is proven by Dumoulins long list of victories in one day races, which is very equal to Remcos palmares.
Jeez; I guess MvP, Van Aert, Pidcock's cyclocross and championships don't count as wins? How about Mads Peterson, Carapaz....racing against aggressive fields? Oh....Remco didn't race those so they don't count? C'mon fans....You are 100% correct and that is proven by Dumoulins long list of victories in one day races, which is very equal to Remcos palmares.
Is 6 your age or the amount of ‘Pogi’ posters on your wall?What wins has Remco got against Pogi in long races? The world champs in Aus but Pogi wasn't really in form then and there were idiotic tactics (marking Remco with Tratnik and then not chasing down that group??) at fault too. Remco is not explosive enough to drop Pogi so when Pogi is on form then Remco is not beating him. I would say Pogi is pretty much unbeatable in Liege when he is on top form. I think he would have won in 2020 had Alaphillippe not swerved in front of him, and this was early Pogi not like he is now who was fatigued because of the Tour. He won in 2021. In 2022 he missed because family stuff and 2023 he broke his arm. Out of all the races you would say Liege suits him best so it's very hard to beat him there. Plus Pogi will be on good form as is last race before the Giro. Pogi will win LBL this year unless he breaks his arm again
Also, there is no non-time-trial course in which top-form Remco would beat top-form Pogi. Remco hasn't got the explosiveness to drop him without idiotic tactics allowing him up the road
What wins has Remco got against Pogi in long races? The world champs in Aus but Pogi wasn't really in form then and there were idiotic tactics (marking Remco with Tratnik and then not chasing down that group??) at fault too. Remco is not explosive enough to drop Pogi so when Pogi is on form then Remco is not beating him. I would say Pogi is pretty much unbeatable in Liege when he is on top form. I think he would have won in 2020 had Alaphillippe not swerved in front of him, and this was early Pogi not like he is now who was fatigued because of the Tour. He won in 2021. In 2022 he missed because family stuff and 2023 he broke his arm. Out of all the races you would say Liege suits him best so it's very hard to beat him there. Plus Pogi will be on good form as is last race before the Giro. Pogi will win LBL this year unless he breaks his arm again
Also, there is no non-time-trial course in which top-form Remco would beat top-form Pogi. Remco hasn't got the explosiveness to drop him without idiotic tactics allowing him up the road
That's just theory. Maybe as a preparation for a difficult one-day (climbing)race. But in a GT, there are so many (possible) variables. Vingegaard is a master of GT. Build as a climber, but, when in topshape, able to perform at the highest level in a (hilly) TT during the second and third week of a GT. I'm sure Vingegaard couldn't beat Ganna, Evenepoel and the new kid in a worlds TT. But he could and probably would in the second half of a GT. And important, untill today, Vingegaard didn't have a really bad day in a GT. Roglic, Pogacar and Evenepoel all had (several) bad days in the past.Gravity. Some can roll fast on flat to undulating terrain, but on the big climbs suffer the effects of gravity. What he needs to do is become the lightest he can be without losing power/watts. Then he has a chance.
MvdP just won a world title.Van der Poel, Van Aert, Pogacar, Vingegaard, Roglic, Pidcock, Philipsen, Ganna, A. Yates, De Lie, Hirschi, Skjelmose, Almeida, Kooij, Jakobsen, Ayuso, Rodriguez, Laporte, Kuss, Vlasov combined victories this season: 0.
Evenepoel victories this season: 1.
We are not the same.
Evenepoel was very eager to win that first race. So he is (too early) in shape. But I hope he will scale back a bit after Algarve or Paris-Nice. Otherwise it could be that he comes up short against Pogacar in Liège. The same after Liege. Better to start the Tour at 98 or 99 % and become stronger the second and third week. As we have seen by Van Aert in 21 and 22. But it was not a conscious choice at the time. An appendectomy and knee problems forced Van Aert to start the Tour 21 and 22, albeit still in very good basic condition, with a small training "gap". But the extra rest helped Van Aert to perform from the second week, until the end of the Tour. Evenepoel should start the same way, at 99 %. To be at his best the second half of the Tour. Without a bad day. Allowing him to end on the podium (not for the win, he will lose too much in the first days and on gravel for that). But starting at 100 % he will start well, but weaken in the second half. Not allowing him a podium or even a top 10.These top riders don't need to be in peak shape to win these races in the beginning of the season, because they're above the others.
What wins has Remco got against Pogi in long races? The world champs in Aus but Pogi wasn't really in form then and there were idiotic tactics (marking Remco with Tratnik and then not chasing down that group??) at fault too. Remco is not explosive enough to drop Pogi so when Pogi is on form then Remco is not beating him. I would say Pogi is pretty much unbeatable in Liege when he is on top form. I think he would have won in 2020 had Alaphillippe not swerved in front of him, and this was early Pogi not like he is now who was fatigued because of the Tour. He won in 2021. In 2022 he missed because family stuff and 2023 he broke his arm. Out of all the races you would say Liege suits him best so it's very hard to beat him there. Plus Pogi will be on good form as is last race before the Giro. Pogi will win LBL this year unless he breaks his arm again
Also, there is no non-time-trial course in which top-form Remco would beat top-form Pogi. Remco hasn't got the explosiveness to drop him without idiotic tactics allowing him up the road
Dumoulin was a top rider, he won the Giro, was second in the Tour, was world TT champion, was 2nd in 2 Olympic TTs. He could have won more one day races had he wanted to and been willing to bunny-bush semi-pro opposition like Remco did today. Perhaps Remco is a slightly better rider, but he is what Dumoulin would have been without the mental health problems and with a longer peak. And no, they are not an exact match but no 2 riders are. But of all the recent riders I can think of in terms of type of rider and ability Dumoulin is closest to Remco. Physiologically Evenepoel and Dumoulin were very similar, however Remco has more mental toughness and more willingness to win a wider array of races, whereas Dumoulin was focused on a smaller amount of races. However physiologically they are very similar riders both in terms of ability and type of riderYou are 100% correct and that is proven by Dumoulins long list of victories in one day races, which is very equal to Remcos palmares.
Pogi would have won both of those LBL. Remco may have won 2020 Lombardia I admit, but that was in a weak standard. Not like the field in Pogi's Lombardia winsRemco has a LBL, CSS, and a WRR vs Pog. Pog has 2 Lombardias vs Evenepoel
They both crashed in a race they lost (Pog in LBL, Remco in Lombardia)
You are the childish one. I am just stating the Remco is overrated and a very limited rider at the top level. When they learn to not let him get away then he will prove far more ineffective. I like Pogi as a rider yes. However, I do understand the brilliance of his rivals like Vingegaard and van der Poel and can talk objectively about them and their relative strengths and weaknesses. However, Remco is not a rival to Pogi. Remco is a better TT but there is no road race profile where Remco could beat an in-form Pogi. Remco is a top rider but he will always be one step below EliteIs 6 your age or the amount of ‘Pogi’ posters on your wall?
"DNP-Old said:Again the same, predictable story. Evenepoel winning a race, then his main opponents happen to be out of shape. Or did not participate. Evenepoel not winning (against his strongest opponents), then he was knocked on his merits. Such statements are becoming increasingly ridiculous.
Does this win count for Remco? Or race is too small?
You are the childish one. I am just stating the Remco is overrated and a very limited rider at the top level. When they learn to not let him get away then he will prove far more ineffective. I like Pogi as a rider yes. However, I do understand the brilliance of his rivals like Vingegaard and van der Poel and can talk objectively about them and their relative strengths and weaknesses. However, Remco is not a rival to Pogi. Remco is a better TT but there is no road race profile where Remco could beat an in-form Pogi. Remco is a top rider but he will always be one step below Elit
Hmm, still keeps happening it'snot like this Remco's 6th year and he's still breaking away and no one cna stop him.When they learn to not let him get away
It depends on the course. In a flat 50/50+ km TT in the third week of the Tour, Vingegaard likely won't lose as much time to the specialists as he would on the same course in a one-off event, however, he will lose time. Whereas on the type of climber-friendly course like the third week TT of last year's race, Jonas can obviously crush it. The Nice/Col d'Eze TT on the last day of this year's race should offer the Dane with a similar opportunity to humiliate the competition, however, depending on one's form and reserves, could also provide the other main contenders with a chance to dominate. And it could be decisive for the final podium placings.That's just theory. Maybe as a preparation for a difficult one-day (climbing)race. But in a GT, there are so many (possible) variables. Vingegaard is a master of GT. Build as a climber, but, when in topshape, able to perform at the highest level in a (hilly) TT during the second and third week of a GT. I'm sure Vingegaard couldn't beat Ganna, Evenepoel and the new kid in a worlds TT. But he could and probably would in the second half of a GT. And important, untill today, Vingegaard didn't have a really bad day in a GT. Roglic, Pogacar and Evenepoel all had (several) bad days in the past.
I say bring it on, because any real fan of the sport wants to see the top racers in peak form slugging it out amongst themselves, and may the best man win. I for one, was most disappointed we didn't get to see a real match between them in the last two Lieges. So, hopfully we finally do this year.What wins has Remco got against Pogi in long races? The world champs in Aus but Pogi wasn't really in form then and there were idiotic tactics (marking Remco with Tratnik and then not chasing down that group??) at fault too. Remco is not explosive enough to drop Pogi so when Pogi is on form then Remco is not beating him. I would say Pogi is pretty much unbeatable in Liege when he is on top form. I think he would have won in 2020 had Alaphillippe not swerved in front of him, and this was early Pogi not like he is now who was fatigued because of the Tour. He won in 2021. In 2022 he missed because family stuff and 2023 he broke his arm. Out of all the races you would say Liege suits him best so it's very hard to beat him there. Plus Pogi will be on good form as is last race before the Giro. Pogi will win LBL this year unless he breaks his arm again
Also, there is no non-time-trial course in which top-form Remco would beat top-form Pogi. Remco hasn't got the explosiveness to drop him without idiotic tactics allowing him up the road
Pogi would have won both of those LBL. Remco may have won 2020 Lombardia I admit, but that was in a weak standard. Not like the field in Pogi's Lombardia wins
Lots of respect for this win, but not exciting to see apart from the initial attack. We have to see what opposition pogacar can offer but LBL almost seems like a foregone conclusion already...
I would like to see a remco in peak shape attack from a big peloton with lots of domestiques on a flattish terrain, that could be a spectacular cat and mouse chase I think.
When Remco loses a race, then the argument is he's not prepared, having a bad day, was out of shape....Again the same, predictable story. Evenepoel winning a race, then his main opponents happen to be out of shape. Or did not participate. Evenepoel not winning (against his strongest opponents), then he was knocked on his merits. Such statements are becoming increasingly ridiculous.
I am not at all claiming that Evenepoel is the best (GT) rider or that he is sometimes beaten by a stronger rider at that moment. But that applies just as well to Pogacar, Vingegaard or Roglic.
What counts as underside? Australia? Southern hemisphere? Is Mexico far enough south?Well, the racers from the underside of the Earth are probably pretty close, but I didn't check to see if there were any of them in these early Euro races.