Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Red Rick]

It's July, the one month a year the Evenepoel thread should be the safest haven on CNF rather than it's densest battleground.

 

[Valanga]

It's July, the one month a year the Evenepoel thread should be the safest haven on CNF rather than it's densest battleground.

Oh you just wait until next year! Looking forward to it already ;-)

 

[hayneplane]

It's July, the one month a year the Evenepoel thread should be the safest haven on CNF rather than it's densest battleground.

The Remco thread laughs in the face of perceived wisdom and the natural rhythms of the cycling season.

 

[greyclouds]

It's July, the one month a year the Evenepoel thread should be the safest haven on CNF rather than it's densest battleground.

Not bloody likely

 

[GuntherL1]

I have decided to voluntary continue my two week ban for trolling, something I didn't do. It will provide the major contributor on this forum to read his own posts even more often. I'm sure that will give him a lot of joy.

 

[wheresmybrakes]

If Remco ever reads this thread he must think why the hell he ever took up cycling!

 

[Carrick-On-Seine]

If Remco ever reads this thread he must think why the hell he ever took up cycling!

Perhaps Remco posts as Logic AND Zoef just to keep up the post count.

 

[CyclistAbi]

More likely Lavfere to be the older one. As for i assume the younger one. He is a regular fan and shouldn't really be blamed for that.

 

[Extinction]

Interesting analysis on RAI Tour coverage by Stefano Garzelli regarding Evenepoel's GT prospects, with the intent being can he one day challenge Tadej at the Tour? Garzelli's responded with, in a nutshell, he's a huge talent, can tt, can climb, but that he needs to work on his mental toughness. In a GT, Garzelli said, a GC candidate has to be concentrated for 3 weeks, the third being decisive. One must always be vigilant, riding towards the front of the peleton always, on flat stages, just as on mountain ones. So his team made a big mistake bringing the lad to the Giro after his accident with inadequite prep. Now he does the Vuelta and his team will analyse the data, both physical and mental, to see above all how he handles the third week, to then plan for a Tour debut.

 

[Big Doopie]

Interesting analysis on RAI Tour coverage by Stefano Garzelli regarding Evenepoel's GT prospects, with the intent being can he one day challenge Tadej at the Tour? Garzelli's responded with, in a nutshell, he's a huge talent, can tt, can climb, but that he needs to work on his mental toughness.

frankly, i would take anything clinician-supreme garzelli has to say about mental toughness with a hefty grain of salt.

having said that, i am having a hard time imagining remco contending at this TDF considering the level.

 

[Extinction]

frankly, i would take anything clinician-supreme garzelli has to say about mental toughness with a hefty grain of salt.

having said that, i am having a hard time imagining remco contending at this TDF considering the level.

Well, mental toughness, as you know, is a grey area, still I think he has a point.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Well, mental toughness, as you know, is a grey area, still I think he has a point.

I think he rode an exemplary first two weeks during the Giro. He certainly didn't lose time due to mental weakness or not being attentive. If it weren't for his technical inability to ride on gravel, he would have been only seconds behind Bernal at the start of the Zoncolan stage.

 

[Extinction]

I think he rode an exemplary first two weeks during the Giro. He certainly didn't lose time due to mental weakness or not being attentive. If it weren't for his technical inability to ride on gravel, he would have been only seconds behind Bernal at the start of the Zoncolan stage.

True, but Garzelli was pointing out the fact that to come good in a GT, you have to handle the third week (mental, as much as physical). And he was in no way discounting Remco, just advising that that's what it takes. Of course, with this Tadej it's a tall order.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

True, but Garzelli was pointing out the fact that to come good in a GT, you have to handle the third week (mental, as much as physical). And he was in no way discounting Remco, just advising that that's what it takes. Of course, with this Tadej it's a tall order.

He hasn't had the chance to show that yet and so far nothing is pointing to the opposite.

 

[Extinction]

He hasn't had the chance to show that yet and so far nothing is pointing to the opposite.

I hope so, let's see.

 

[dazaau]

I'm sorry but no version of Remco past or future beats peak Pogi in a grand tour.

How can Remco ever succeed when his fans have such unbelievable expectations. He is an incredible rider and I look forward to what he will do in the future, but expecting him to take it to the phenom that is pogi (and the true modern day version of Merckx) by just "being mentally tougher" is just setting yourself up for disappointment.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I'm sorry but no version of Remco past or future beats peak Pogi in a grand tour.

How can Remco ever succeed when his fans have such unbelievable expectations. He is an incredible rider and I look forward to what he will do in the future, but expecting him to take it to the phenom that is pogi (and the true modern day version of Merckx) by just "being mentally tougher" is just setting yourself up for disappointment.

I thought we were talking about mental toughness over 3 weeks? How did you end up at beating prime Pogacar?

 

[dazaau]

Interesting analysis on RAI Tour coverage by Stefano Garzelli regarding Evenepoel's GT prospects, with the intent being can he one day challenge Tadej at the Tour? Garzelli's responded with, in a nutshell, he's a huge talent, can tt, can climb, but that he needs to work on his mental toughness. In a GT, Garzelli said, a GC candidate has to be concentrated for 3 weeks, the third being decisive. One must always be vigilant, riding towards the front of the peleton always, on flat stages, just as on mountain ones. So his team made a big mistake bringing the lad to the Giro after his accident with inadequite prep. Now he does the Vuelta and his team will analyse the data, both physical and mental, to see above all how he handles the third week, to then plan for a Tour debut.

I thought we were talking about mental toughness over 3 weeks? How did you end up at beating prime Pogacar?

Maybe I misunderstood?

 

[BigCoward]

True, but Garzelli was pointing out the fact that to come good in a GT, you have to handle the third week (mental, as much as physical). And he was in no way discounting Remco, just advising that that's what it takes. Of course, with any half decent GC rider it's a tall order.

Fixed

 

[Oldermanish]

Lampeart: "Now I beat all the best riders in the world."

This is why Evenpoel had to go to the Tour.

Different day, different race.

 

[houtdffan]

I think he rode an exemplary first two weeks during the Giro. He certainly didn't lose time due to mental weakness or not being attentive. If it weren't for his technical inability to ride on gravel, he would have been only seconds behind Bernal at the start of the Zoncolan stage.

and he likely does not lose 90 seconds on Zoncolon if he didn't have to waste energy after being dropped on the descent of the first major climb. He was nearly a minute down at the end of the first descent.

HIs positioning cost him that giro, not his overall level. He ended up going kablammo by wasting energy

 

[Andre]

I think Remco would have won 2 stages in this year's Tour

 

[Boes]

I think Remco would have won 2 stages in this year's Tour

2 stages so far, right?

 

[spalco]

and he likely does not lose 90 seconds on Zoncolon if he didn't have to waste energy after being dropped on the descent of the first major climb. He was nearly a minute down at the end of the first descent.

HIs positioning cost him that giro, not his overall level. He ended up going kablammo by wasting energy

I disagree. Positioning and tactical awareness is not his problem. If you are the strongest man in the race and feel like a million dollars it's not that difficult to ride on the front day after day and attack in the right spots.

Certainly, Remco didn't help himself on some stages in that Giro, but I don't think toughness - mental or physical - was the issue, he seems plenty able to torture himself on the bike; and his many successful attacks show he knows what's going on in a race too. I think his failure (and it was a failure regardless of the circumstances) in the Giro was all due to inadequate preparation and form.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Maybe I misunderstood?

I think so, yeah. The discussion started by that question on RAI, but we were discussing whether he was ''mentally tough'' enough (stay at the front, be vigilant and attentive etc) to ride 3 weeks for GC. considering he hasn't ridden for 3 weeks, that remains to be seen but he has shown he can do it for 2 weeks (Giro) so far. It is just one of many conditions that needs to be met to become a GT contender, it's not the key to beat Pogacar as you seem to think we were saying.