Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Charlyghoul]

That is of course all right. I don’t have a problem at all with what you think about Remco. However, I have a huge problem with you making up things like “Remco fans believes X and Y” and then you can’t back it up because no one ever said (in this forum) what you claim they believe.
In my eyes that is trolling.

But you literally just said it…

 

[Berniece]

NONONO YOU BELIEVE HE WOULDVE WON 5 TOURS

Right, yeah that too, but wasn't that implied when I say he would've won Lombardia 2020?

 

[Charlyghoul]

Are you serious?? How could avoiding a crash in 2024 help him win the Tour in 2022 or 2023??
Without the two crashes I mentioned I think he NOW perhaps could be at the level of Pogi until 2023. That level would not be enough to challenge Pogacar in 2025 (which is the only Tour after the second crash I mentioned).

Yes, ok, I don’t think he would have been on Pogacars level in 23, but you do, though according to you about ten minutes ago ‘ don’t be a troll because no one ever said that’

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

But you literally just said it…

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When I’m saying he possibly could reach the level of Pogi up until 2023 that doesn’t mean I believe he would’ve won enough races to be at Merckx/Pogi level. It should actually be very easy for you to understand this.

 

[Peyroteo94]

NONONO YOU BELIEVE HE WOULDVE WON 5 TOURS

In fact he already told remco would win a TdF if he didn't crash multiple times. Once again, he is changing his narrative.

 

[AmRacer]

Yes, ok, I don’t think he would have been on Pogacars level in 23, but you do, though according to you about ten minutes ago ‘ don’t be a troll because no one ever said that’

Hadn't Remco crashed 2020 and twice 2024, he would now 2025 be at same level Pogi was 2023.
That's how I read they are saying.

 

[Berniece]

In fact he already told he would win a TdF if Remco didn't crash multiple times. Once again, he is changing his narrative.

I don't remember everything I ever wrote, and change opinions on a daily basis.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Hadn't Remco crashed 2020 and twice 2024, he would now 2025 be at same level Pogi was 2023.
That's how I read they are saying.

I believe he could be. It’s all just guessing. But yes, that is what I’m saying. And Remco being on Pog2023 level would still not be enough to challenge Pog in the Tour now. It could perhaps be enough to challenge Vingegaard.

 

[Charlyghoul]

You are either trolling or completely ignorant to what I actually write.
When I’m saying he possibly could reach the level of Pogi up until 2023 that doesn’t mean I believe he would’ve won enough races to be at Merckx/Pogi level. It should actually be very easy for you to understand this.

It’s fine, I don’t think he possibly would have been at that level in 23, you do, that level of which was already getting on for Merckx/great grand tour rider level wasn’t it.

 

[AmRacer]

I believe he could be. It’s all just guessing. But yes, that is what I’m saying. And Remco being on Pog2023 level would still not be enough to challenge Pog in the Tour now. It could perhaps be enough to challenge Vingegaard.

So, if Pogi hadn't crashed out of LBL 2023, Pogi would have won. Because Remco could have reached Pogi's 2023 level 2025.

 

[Charlyghoul]

I believe he could be. It’s all just guessing. But yes, that is what I’m saying. And Remco being on Pog2023 level would still not be enough to challenge Pog in the Tour now. It could perhaps be enough to challenge Vingegaard.

Apologies if I misinterpreted you, I simply don’t think he *could* ever have been at a potential tour winning level up to this point, in the future that might change

 

[kingjr]

So, if Pogi hadn't crashed out of LBL 2023, Pogi would have won.

could have

 

[AmRacer]

Apologies if I misinterpreted you, I simply don’t think he *could* ever have been at a potential tour winning level up to this point, in the future that might change

Bernal and G. Thomas won a Tour each.

 

[AmRacer]

could have

But Remco wasn't at Pogis level yet, so...

 

[kingjr]

But Remco wasn't at Pogis level yet, so...

Like Eddy said, it's all just guessing

 

[bah]

Apologies if I misinterpreted you, I simply don’t think he *could* ever have been at a potential tour winning level up to this point, in the future that might change

I'm not entirely sure if anyone has ever claimed Remco "should" have won a TDF by now. I remember reading many posts about how Remco just isn't a GT rider (despite having won a GT). Again, I certainly don't think it's a forgone conclusion he will ever win the TDF but I don't find it implausible (would likely be due to injuries/decline in Pog and Jonas) but it could happen. He could also add another Vuelta and a Giro. For someone who's "not a GT rider" that wouldn't be bad at all. And yes, I do believe if he hadn't had the crashes then the gap to close would have been a bit less.

 

[AmRacer]

Like Eddy said, it's all just guessing

Guessing? Maybe add a ? to the thread title 😁

 

[Peyroteo94]

I don't remember everything I ever wrote, and change opinions on a daily basis.

Yeah, you never remember.

 

[kingjr]

Guessing? Maybe add a ? to the thread title 😁

Why bother?

 

[AmRacer]

Why bother?

Should I guess now? 🤔

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

So, if Pogi hadn't crashed out of LBL 2023, Pogi would have won. Because Remco could have reached Pogi's 2023 level 2025.

Pogacar definitively could have won that. Same as he could’ve won the Olympics last year. But I think it’s also fair to say that the difference in level between Pogi and Remco are much smaller in races with less meters of climbing than in the high mountains, so even if Pogi without the crash would’ve been the favorite it’s not given, like it is in a Grand Tour between them.

And I’ve had mostly the Tour level in mind when talking about the level of Pogacar before 2024 season. It’s of course very hard to compare year to year, but I don’t believe Remcos Tourlevel in 2024 was far away from Pogacars Tour level 2020-2023, and that without the postman crash he could’ve been slightly better this year. But then again, the level of Pogi last year and this year are something completely different,

 

[bah]

Yeah, you never remember.

And you seem to remember everything said by a poster who is a fan of a rider you clearly don't like. Bit strange.

 

[AmRacer]

And you seem to remember everything said by a poster who is a fan of a rider you clearly don't like. Bit strange.

Facts are good to have when arguing, so...

 

[Berniece]

Yeah, you never remember.

Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. I post way too much on here, and sometimes tongue in cheek. A lot of the time quickly before focusing back on work. So yeah, a lot of times I might not remember everything I've said. Definitely not in this topic. I can imagine myself changing opinions based on however I'm feeling.

 

[peterfin]

Apologies if I misinterpreted you, I simply don’t think he *could* ever have been at a potential tour winning level up to this point, in the future that might change

The three major injuries he had to endure and the lack of a GC team with the capacity to maximize his output obviously impact his potential up to today but just take away the two best climbers of all time and he would *most likely* have won the 2024 TdF. So I think he is just unfortunate to ride in this era especially when it comes to his chances of winning the TdF, which has become a mountain goat race.

The thread title was started in his junior years when his performances blew away everything we had seen from a junior sofar. We discussed at length to change it later on but decided to keep it because it's not intended to be factual. My argument for changing it was that we get people jumping in every few months or so that come here to ridicule the title and his fans. So that is basically the point we are at today.