"The Secret Pro" on Katusha and doping

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SundayRider said:
Yeah I meant someone who is still riding but who hasn't won a GT in a long time.

It's just weird phrasing, I took it to mean it was Lance or the sanction will remove their title (i.e. Scarponi/Cobo) meaning they would no longer be a GT winner.

Menchov makes sense then yeh, I just wonder when it was. Last year he had no blood bags in the Tour. Maybe 2011 Vuelta, otherwise it really was years ago.
 
Hi, I realise this is a weird place for my first post but it has to be somewhere. I finally decided to join the site after lurking as a visitor since 2010 and I've enjoyed reading alot of very strange things here.

Just a thought - if it were Cobo that lost his Vuelta, would Froome get the title?
 
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MrTea1976 said:
Hi, I realise this is a weird place for my first post but it has to be somewhere. I finally decided to join the site after lurking as a visitor since 2010 and I've enjoyed reading alot of very strange things here.

Just a thought - if it were Cobo that lost his Vuelta, would Froome get the title?

Not necessarily. I depends if the cause of the ban was from during or before he won the Vuelta or after. If its after, which I reckon since its 1,5 years ago, then he wont lose his title.
 
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Menchov, Basso, Di Luca, Gazelli, Schleck, Evans, Contador, Nibali, Cobo all current riding former GT winners.

Someone forgot to pay the man.
 
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The Hitch said:
Would also be strange if it was menchov. His performances have been ****. He's still blood doping and enough for it to register?

The last 2 years he's been more or less at the pointy end of GTs. He's never been in contention but he hasn't been si far back either. But anyway there's going to be a political element to this.
 
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keithmcmahon said:
Tour of Turkey and Amstel Gold Race - Rory Sutherland?

Sutherland wont be doing the Tour and it seems as if The Secret Pro isnt doing the Giro. But he is Australian for sure.
 
Did they have a lot of gear shifter problems of late at Argos-Shimano? Me thinks not, so that should rule out De Kort as the Secret Pro.

Same applies to Sutherland and non-existing gear shfiter problems (AFAIK) at Saxo-Tinkoff?

The only team I can think off with a huge amount of problems in that department lately is Sky. :eek: :p
 
The Hitch said:
Would also be strange if it was menchov. His performances have been ****. He's still blood doping and enough for it to register?

From what I have seen over the last few years, when bio-passport cases break in the press they usually refer to fluctuating values from a period between one and three years before word gets out, so we would probably not be looking at a rider's 2013 performance apart from the suggestion that crap results might relate to riding cleaner.

That significant time lag is, I think, due to the steps required to complete the notification-representation cycle. The ABP panel must review the cases and then compile and submit reports. The administrators must then deliberate and decide to follow up the matter administratively. A rider is duly notified by the UCI and has a window of time in which to prepare representations which explain the fluctuations noted in his blood values.

Beyond that, it boils down to the individual and his team and how they manage that situation. Some teams might allow their rider continue to race, whereas others may exercise caution and bench him in order somewhat to limit any eventual blast damage.

When deliberate benching occurs, as I believe it does, some teams lack creativity in their PR. Using injury as a front for absence is a mouldy old excuse, but many of the same excuses crop up, sometimes in succession. In this way, I counted no less than 13 different riders whose performance was supposedly blighted by tooth infections between 2005 and 2012. There were four such citations in 2012 alone. It's like the PR people of different teams were borrowing each others' lecture notes.

So my guess, after all that waffle, is that the rider concerned would have been targeted for values between 2010-2012 and that, if he has continued to ride throughout 2012 and 2013, he has ridden very modestly, "out of character". I would also particularly focus on individuals who are not currently performing well or are absent due to an injury or illness that was not sustained suddenly and in full view of a spectating public, and possibly one that normally entails a long recovery period.
 
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GJB123 said:
Did they have a lot of gear shifter problems of late at Argos-Shimano? Me thinks not, so that should rule out De Kort as the Secret Pro.

Same applies to Sutherland and non-existing gear shfiter problems (AFAIK) at Saxo-Tinkoff?

The only team I can think off with a huge amount of problems in that department lately is Sky. :eek: :p

When he mentioned the mechanical issues my first thought was to quickstep.
 
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GJB123 said:
Did they have a lot of gear shifter problems of late at Argos-Shimano? Me thinks not, so that should rule out De Kort as the Secret Pro.

Same applies to Sutherland and non-existing gear shfiter problems (AFAIK) at Saxo-Tinkoff?

The only team I can think off with a huge amount of problems in that department lately is Sky. :eek: :p

Gear shifting problems? It must be Andy!! :D
 
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Btw to sum up the possible suspects:

Active former GT winners: Basso,Cobo,Contador, Cunego,Di Luca,Evans, Garzelli,Hesjedal,Menchov, Nibali,Scarponi,A.Schleck, Valverde,Wiggins
 
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Benotti69 said:
Menchov, Basso, Di Luca, Gazelli, Schleck, Evans, Contador, Nibali, Cobo all current riding former GT winners.

Someone forgot to pay the man.

Contador won a GT last year. Does he still count as former GT winner?

Valverde is missing in your list. I havent got any news that Vuelta 2009 has been given to Samu.
 
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Cimber said:
Btw to sum up the possible suspects:

Active former GT winners: Basso,Cobo,Contador, Cunego,Di Luca,Evans, Garzelli,Hesjedal,Menchov, Nibali,Scarponi,A.Schleck, Valverde,Wiggins

Fixed for you.
 
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L'arriviste said:
So my guess, after all that waffle, is that the rider concerned would have been targeted for values between 2010-2012 and that, if he has continued to ride throughout 2012 and 2013, he has ridden very modestly, "out of character". I would also particularly focus on individuals who are not currently performing well or are absent due to an injury or illness that was not sustained suddenly and in full view of a spectating public, and possibly one that normally entails a long recovery period.
We all know it must be baby Schleck then.

About time.

Rabo at last have their Tour de France win.

Oooops.

And, Jurgen van den Broeck has already accomplished his goal, he can retire.