The Sports Illustrated Article

[Polish]

This "WSJ Article Thread" stayed active for a month....
1200 posts and 115000 views before it blew over.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=8364

Will the "Sports Illustrated Thread" have more staying power?
I think the key to a 1000+ post thread is endurance....
Pace yourselves everyone.

 

[stephens]

If people try to establish a link between taking PEDs and getting cancer, I suspect Lance's people can just claim that it may be the other way around: after all, there is evidence that testicular cancers can cause a rise in testosterone levels so they may try to show that there are "natural" causes for his higher testosterone tests pre-diagnosis.

 

[Ferminal]

If people try to establish a link between taking PEDs and getting cancer, I suspect Lance's people can just claim that it may be the other way around: after all, there is evidence that testicular cancers can cause a rise in testosterone levels.

Yep - and lucky they saw abnormal the levels early to prevent the cancer from spreading.

...

 

[veganrob]

Ask A-Roid about that

Good call mate.

 

[hrotha]

If people try to establish a link between taking PEDs and getting cancer, I suspect Lance's people can just claim that it may be the other way around: after all, there is evidence that testicular cancers can cause a rise in testosterone levels so they may try to show that there are "natural" causes for his higher testosterone tests pre-diagnosis.

I don't think he's going to argue he got cancer in 1993.

 

[Ferminal]

But don't they give testosterone to cancer and aids patients? It might have been the reason he survived, who knows.

Sounds a bit far-fetched, do you have any links which suggest that dosing with testosterone prior to cancer increases the likelihood of successful treatment?

 

[this_is_edie]

And a side story about Conte being approached by Armstrong's legal team.



Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7...Novitzky-from-Victor-Conte.aspx#ixzz1BQZpnLJt


http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7...ition-against-Novitzky-from-Victor-Conte.aspx

Watch the original interview with Conte where velonation got the quotes:

Victor Conte on Lance Armstrong

and this one

Victor Conte: Tactics most athletes still use to cheat

and lots more interviews with Conte on the page

 

[MacRoadie]

Just finished reading it. The fan boys are gonna love it!

 

[Dr. Maserati]

The complete issue is now available on the iPad.

Catlin does not come off good at all. He is a fanboy.

Do you know if it can be got on Kindle?

 

[theswordsman]

So why didn't he play ball with Lance in 2009 then?

Lance obviously didn't get the response he desired after the announcement. Then he got four months worth of publicity about it before deciding not to give Catlin money. It was the usual take credit for it in advance then don't bother following through, like the transparency in media relations, I'll talk to anyone anywhere spiel.

 

[MD FACG FACP]

Lance and Tiger..lol

http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/sports/t...t-celebrity-endorsements-of-2010-ncxdc-011811

 

[M Sport]

My question is...Since they apparently found PEDs at Popovich's house then why isn't he suspended?

I wondered the same thing. But it's possible he's already been served notice by UCI or national federation but that can't be made public until he's either formally charged or convicted.

Nice article though, the house is slowly crumbling.

 

[MacRoadie]

http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/sports/t...t-celebrity-endorsements-of-2010-ncxdc-011811

Send THAT to Fabiani and the USPS...

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Yet he won his tours with a lower hematocrit. Doesn't make sense to me.



Is there a link between testosterone and cancer?

Apologies BPC you missed the point - just 4 months before he was diagnosed with an advanced cancer LA's HCG should have been through the roof and spotted during testing - it leaves the question why was it not picked up?

 

[Ferminal]

Do you have any links showing lose dose testosterone causes cancer?

I never suggested it did.

 

[MacRoadie]

Apologies BPC you missed the point - just 4 months before he was diagnosed with an advanced cancer LA's HCG should have been through the roof and spotted during testing - it leaves the question why was it not picked up?

Damn, DR., don't be outing him so quickly. There's gonna be some comedy gold here in the next hours, days and weeks.

 

[forumlurker]

more drama for your mama. i hope that whoever was making those "days of our lance" cartoons makes some more. yo-han, where the **** is levi?!

 

[Deagol]

Send THAT to Fabiani and the USPS...

"Cyclist Armstrong, who also had negative press in 2010 with accusations of doping by former teammate Floyd Landis, came in close second with minus 30 percent lift in the value of his campaign for Radio Shack."



now that is FUNNY .....

 

[veganrob]

more drama for your mama. i hope that whoever was making those "days of our lance" cartoons makes some more. yo-han, where the **** is levi?!

They are holding onto each other in the crapper

 

[Siriuscat]

Can anyone copy the full artice off an Ipad into here??

 

[Merckx index]

Send THAT to Fabiani and the USPS...

The study concluded that fewer than 12 percent of ads using celebrities exceeded a 10 percent lift versus average industry norms, and nearly 20 percent of celebrity ads yielded negative lift scores in excess of 10 percent.

Send another copy to USPS.

Yet he won his tours with a lower hematocrit. Doesn't make sense to me.

Since the 50% HT rule was put into play, the purpose of blood doping has not been to raise HT levels, but to keep them from falling during the latter stages of a GT.

 

[MD FACG FACP]

Can anyone copy the full artice off an Ipad into here??

I just looked it's still the old cover on my SI app. I'll try when it updates.

 

[Polish]

Can anyone copy the full artice off an Ipad into here??

Dude, go BUY the magazine.
C'mon, the journalists do not work for free

I For Americans there's a deal now where you can get six issues and an NFL jacket for $1.99 - you just have to be sure to cancel before auto bill kicks in. I'm thinking of signing up, registering my disgust with the story as a subscriber, and keeping the Saints jacket as a souvenir. At least I can cost them some money

Dude, that is such a cool scam!
But I bet Lance thought of that as a 10 year old kid

 

[Maxiton]

Well, there were lots of tests during the tours. Maybe he could fool a few of them, but all of them? I don't see anything to suggest he had an advantage over the other guys in GC so that preserves his reputation as the rightful winner of his tours at least. That's the way I see it.



But don't they give testosterone to cancer and aids patients? It might have been the reason he survived, who knows.

I agree with the bolded bit. I think the point is obvious. Obvious to all, that is, whose agenda isn't hatred of Armstrong. (Which of course excludes most of the active participants in this forum.)

You may not like Armstrong. You may have good reason for not liking him. But he played the same game his competitors played, and raced the same races, and if they could have beaten him they would have. Did he pay off the UCI? Most likely. But if they were taking bribes from Armstrong, they wouldn't stop with him. If they were in the bribe taking business, you can bet they had more than one customer.

 

[Anonymous]

SBS have picked it up in australia. Very surprised to see them reporting it.
http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/news/19986/Armstrong-urged-Motorola-teammates-to-dope,-report

although this bit is weird

Sports Illustrated posted some of its findings on its website Tuesday and said it expects to include a longer version of the story in the January 24 issue of the magazine.

?????

And very dissapointing from Geraint.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sports...trong-finale-is-such-a-thrill-91466-28003603/

Even more dissapointing. 39% of people think lance didnt dope
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31751_162-20028841-10391697.html