Yes he is a doper, but he didn't work with Ferrari. I am not defending Dekker.
But I have a low tolerance for ignorance also.
But I have a low tolerance for ignorance also.
HL2037 said:aschleck: Denial denial denial please-no-not-Andy denial
Alexzulle said:and Gianni Fazio will be crowned king of cycling teams (which I have no problem with, love that guy).
Dekker_Tifosi said:Ugh, get it to your head it is NOT true, those are sub-par media reports from, I'm sorry, below average quality cycling sites. It's a simple mix up a LOT of people made (even in the Netherlands, although here it's never reached the press)
This was 10000% absolutely NOT true. All the media reports who reported that have done none to no research and/or simply thought italian trainer..oh umm. wasnt that ferrari or something? Yes write that down..
Angliru said:Oh, Andy's a cocky: "I'm the best climber in the world" shortly after getting dropped by Contador and blaming it on the moto's aiding him, excuse making
whiner. This conclusion only came to me after this year's Tour. Before I may have been on the same page as you but not anymore. I don't question his talent but his brother is rather questionable and his boss (Riis) surely can't be trusted as far as he can be seen.
Die Wissenschaftler haben mittlerweile die Blutproben und grünes Licht erhalten. Laut KURIER-Recherchen stehen damit hinter ganzen Top-Teams große Fragezeichen. Zudem sollen sich unter den als auffällig gekennzeichneten Fahrern Kapazunder wie Weltmeister Fabio Cancellara, die Luxemburger Kim Kirchen und Frank Schleck, der Slowene Tadej Valjavec sowie der Australier Stuart O'Grady befunden haben. Pikantes Detail am Rande: Fabio Cancellara hatte nach dem Kohl-Geständnis besonders laut gegen den Österreicher gewettert. Bis auf Bernhard Kohl bestreiten freilich alle diese Topfahrer, gedopt zu haben.
"Vor uns war der CSC-Tisch mit dem Sieger der Deutschlandtour, Jens Voigt. Damals ging das Gerücht um, es gäbe ein neues Wundermittel namens PFC. In meiner Berauschung rief ich dem Deutschen hinüber: 'Gell Jens, das sollte nicht CSC, sondern PFC heißen.'" Das Gelächter am CSC-Tisch hielt sich in Grenzen.
Cerberus said:Why is Riis in particular so untrustworthy. Sure he doped, but so did almost everyone else of his generation, everyone that mattered anyways, and unlike most other Riis is a pathetically bad liar. It took him 10 tries or so to actually muster a denial that he was using doping. I suppose he could have learned, but I don't see why he should be singled out as particularly suspect.
It was reported in 2007 and confirmed by Evans himself. Unfortunaly, the site with the article (sport1.de) doesn't archive very wellDr. Maserati said:Ok - thank you for the clarification. But take it easy - there were reports linking TD to Ferrari - as you point out probably a mix up of Italian Doctors.
That is why I am on this site - to find out the correct information.
But you stated that Evans has worked with Dr. Ferrari - I have seen no report of that anywhere.
issoisso said:I remember Willy Voet mentioning PFC as by far the most health-hazardous doping product in use
luckyboy said:That's the stuff that Gianetti went to intensive care with right?
Dekker_Tifosi said:It was reported in 2007 and confirmed by Evans himself. Unfortunaly, the site with the article (sport1.de) doesn't archive very well
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Here are the source stating the relationship between Evans and Ferrari: www.sport1.de/de/sport/artikel_1500377.html (article down unfortunately)
Evans confirmed in an Interview during Tour de France, that he uses Ferrari, but of course "only to make Training plans". Just like Vinokourov recently did. Ferrari is probably the most suspected doctor in cycling, and the Italian court prooved, that he was running a hugh doping network from 1992-1998.[/font]
It was discussed on several forums as well...f.e.x
http://www.cyclingforums.com/professional-cycling/415862-cadel-evans-working-ferrari.html
Evands admitted working with Ferrari back in 07 himself :/ not that that is a crime by the way. Im just saying though.
What's more, Tony Rominger, Evans' manager, is also an ex-Ferrari client.
Dekker_Tifosi said:It was reported in 2007 and confirmed by Evans himself. Unfortunaly, the site with the article (sport1.de) doesn't archive very well
Jaksche hat Ihnen im Spiegel vorgeworfen, Sie hätten bei Manolo Saiz, dem damaligen Chef von Liberty Seguros, auf eine «bessere medizinische Betreuung» für Winokurow gedrängt. Hiess das, Winokurow solle sich beim Dopingarzt Dr. Michele Ferrari in Behandlung begeben?
Ich habe nie – und das muss ich ganz klar sagen – einem Fahrer geraten, er solle zu Ferrari gehen. Das Einzige, was ich mir vielleicht ankreiden kann, ist, dass ich nicht schlecht über Michele geredet habe. Für mich ist Ferrari, was Trainingspläne anbelangt, immer noch eine grosse Kapazität. Daran gibt es nichts zu rütteln.
Heute ist es kein Geheimnis mehr, dass in den neunziger Jahren praktisch alle Velorennfahrer mit Epo nachhalfen. Hat dies die Rennen verfälscht?
Verfälscht sicher nicht. Vielleicht sind diejenigen, die von Natur aus einen hohen Hämatokritwert haben, benachteilig worden, und diejenigen, die einen extrem tiefen hatten, konnten etwas gutmachen. Aber es ist klar, dass die Medizin immer etwas zu finden sucht, das die Leistung steigert, und dass die Kontrollen hinterherhinken. Jetzt will man, dass Camenzind [der Schweizer Strassenweltmeister, der wegen Epo-Gebrauchs gesperrt wurde] seine Lieferanten nennt. Aber muss man nicht die Person behaften, die schlussendlich verantwortlich ist? Und dies ist der Fahrer selbst. Ich bin für mich verantwortlich, und ich sage ja oder nein. Wenn einer Charakter hat, sagt er: «Nein, das mache ich nicht.»
Dekker_Tifosi said:Yes he is a doper, but he didn't work with Ferrari. I am not defending Dekker.
But I have a low tolerance for ignorance also.
Bala Verde said:Just found an interesting article with Tony Rominger, after the Rasmussen debacle:
Source
Grüsse von der Tony...
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iainf72 said:I recall this story at the time was exposed as made up nonsense. Cadel posted on his own page (in english) to confirm he only works with Sassi and hadn't worked with the myth.
issoisso said:Don't want to be an ***, but the forum language is english. Posting and not translating is kinda....you know![]()
Bala Verde said:presumptuous?
Don't have the time or desire to translate everything I find. I always assume internet dwellers are agile enough with the 'google-make-comprehensible-button'.
Bala Verde said:If not, they are free to purchase a rosetta stone package - which comes with a free CD.
Bala Verde said:Anyway, a peloton of cyclists faces similar linguistic barriers, so in the end it heightens the cycling experience...
إن شاء الله
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Bala Verde said:
Welcome aboard Iain. About time.iainf72 said:I recall this story at the time was exposed as made up nonsense. Cadel posted on his own page (in english) to confirm he only works with Sassi and hadn't worked with the myth.
Bala Verde said:Anyway, a peloton of cyclists faces similar linguistic barriers, so in the end it heightens the cycling experience...
FoxxyBrown1111 said:So once more going to sleep and then the positives of the 2008 TdF come out.
My bets;
1.) Sastre (the way he talked alot bout retiring and family + his results this year)
2.) Menchov (very quiet since may)
3.) Pereiro Sio (all of a sudden he wants to retire)
so lets see, 10 am european time....![]()