Tirreno - Adriatico 2016 09/03/16 - 15/03/16 2.UWT

[jaylew]

Lefevere's got to be thrilled. Lost Cav but picked up Kittel and Gav (possibly the 2 fastest guys in the world) for likely less money combined than what he paid Cav.

 

[Pricey_sky]

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Lefevere's got to be thrilled. Lost Cav but picked up Kittel and Gav (possibly the 2 fastest guys in the world) for likely less money combined than what he paid Cav.

I doubt Kittel is on less than Cav, I think several teams would have paid big money for him when they realised he was available and leaving Giant last year.

 

[Akuryo]

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Lefevere's got to be thrilled. Lost Cav but picked up Kittel and Gav (possibly the 2 fastest guys in the world) for likely less money combined than what he paid Cav.

I doubt Kittel is on less than Cav, I think several teams would have paid big money for him when they realised he was available and leaving Giant last year.

I think he is still happy to trade a top 3-5 sprinter for the best plus one of the biggest talents.

 

[Red Rick]

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Lefevere's got to be thrilled. Lost Cav but picked up Kittel and Gav (possibly the 2 fastest guys in the world) for likely less money combined than what he paid Cav.

I doubt Kittel is on less than Cav, I think several teams would have paid big money for him when they realised he was available and leaving Giant last year.

I think he is still happy to trade a top 3-5 sprinter for the best plus one of the biggest talents.

Yeah, its a good deal. Mostly because Gaviria is gonna be worth a shitload. Kittel isn't worth that much. Couple of stage wins in GT's and other WT races and maybe some flat one day races. The fact that he can't recover from climbing a speedbump hurts his worth so, so much.

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

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Lefevere's got to be thrilled. Lost Cav but picked up Kittel and Gav (possibly the 2 fastest guys in the world) for likely less money combined than what he paid Cav.

I doubt Kittel is on less than Cav, I think several teams would have paid big money for him when they realised he was available and leaving Giant last year.

I think he is still happy to trade a top 3-5 sprinter for the best plus one of the biggest talents.

Yeah, its a good deal. Mostly because Gaviria is gonna be worth a shitload. Kittel isn't worth that much. Couple of stage wins in GT's and other WT races and maybe some flat one day races. The fact that he can't recover from climbing a speedbump hurts his worth so, so much.

I believe that won't be any problem if QS get him in shape for the Tour. Kittel just needs that extra bit of confidence with his new team, if he could finish 6th on Hatta Dam in good shape, he will survive the "speed bumps" in the Tour

 

[jaylew]

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Lefevere's got to be thrilled. Lost Cav but picked up Kittel and Gav (possibly the 2 fastest guys in the world) for likely less money combined than what he paid Cav.

I doubt Kittel is on less than Cav, I think several teams would have paid big money for him when they realised he was available and leaving Giant last year.

I think he is still happy to trade a top 3-5 sprinter for the best plus one of the biggest talents.

Yeah, its a good deal. Mostly because Gaviria is gonna be worth a shitload. Kittel isn't worth that much. Couple of stage wins in GT's and other WT races and maybe some flat one day races. The fact that he can't recover from climbing a speedbump hurts his worth so, so much.

I don't know. If he's back to 4 TDF stage wins (including Champs) he's pretty valuable.

 

[jaylew]

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Lefevere's got to be thrilled. Lost Cav but picked up Kittel and Gav (possibly the 2 fastest guys in the world) for likely less money combined than what he paid Cav.

I doubt Kittel is on less than Cav, I think several teams would have paid big money for him when they realised he was available and leaving Giant last year.

I thought I heard his salary was down. I think the combo of coming off an awful year, one where his motivation and dedication was questioned, and being under contract and the whole shotgun nature of it near the end of the signing season, limited his options and made him a cheaper buy.

 

[Miburo]

How hard are these hills at the end?

 

[Hugo Koblet]

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How hard are these hills at the end?

Montefalco is 5.5km, 4.1%, max. 18%, long stretches with gradients of over 12%, Trevi is 4.0km, 5.3%, max. 16% (from CyclingQuotes.com).

 

[rghysens]

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Yeah, its a good deal. Mostly because Gaviria is gonna be worth a shitload. Kittel isn't worth that much. Couple of stage wins in GT's and other WT races and maybe some flat one day races. The fact that he can't recover from climbing a speedbump hurts his worth so, so much.

From a commercial point of view, winning 4 flat tdf stages > winning all 5 monuments in the same year. So Kittel is worth a lot, if he can get back to his former self.

 

[Vroome.exe]

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Yeah, its a good deal. Mostly because Gaviria is gonna be worth a shitload. Kittel isn't worth that much. Couple of stage wins in GT's and other WT races and maybe some flat one day races. The fact that he can't recover from climbing a speedbump hurts his worth so, so much.

From a commercial point of view, winning 4 flat tdf stages > winning all 5 monuments in the same year. So Kittel is worth a lot, if he can get back to his former self.

Lol, get out.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Yeah, its a good deal. Mostly because Gaviria is gonna be worth a shitload. Kittel isn't worth that much. Couple of stage wins in GT's and other WT races and maybe some flat one day races. The fact that he can't recover from climbing a speedbump hurts his worth so, so much.

From a commercial point of view, winning 4 flat tdf stages > winning all 5 monuments in the same year. So Kittel is worth a lot, if he can get back to his former self.

Lol, get out.

It isn't that far off, actually.

 

[GuyIncognito]

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Tested him when he was 18yrs old I believe

But that was the team that didn't like the test results and didn't want him.
It wasn't Sagan not accepting an offer

They did like the results but they like kwiatkowski his results better

But they signed Kwiatkowski much later, no?

Yeah, 'they liked Kwiatkowski better' might be true, but Kwiatkowski signed for Caisse and was loaned out to Caja Rural. So, they're unrelated

Sagan wated more money that's why Lefevre didn't sign him.That's all.

Sagan's story is that they didn't want him at all, at any salary. Says he was so angry at thinking he was a failure that he went home and smashed a bike. Supposedly. Why would he make up that he was told he wasn't good enough?

 

[TMP402]

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Tested him when he was 18yrs old I believe

But that was the team that didn't like the test results and didn't want him.
It wasn't Sagan not accepting an offer

They did like the results but they like kwiatkowski his results better

But they signed Kwiatkowski much later, no?

Yeah, 'they liked Kwiatkowski better' might be true, but Kwiatkowski signed for Caisse and was loaned out to Caja Rural. So, they're unrelated

Sagan wated more money that's why Lefevre didn't sign him.That's all.

Sagan's story is that they didn't want him at all, at any salary. Says he was so angry at thinking he was a failure that he went home and smashed a bike. Supposedly. Why would he make up that he was told he wasn't good enough?

Just to play devil's advocate here: because it's a much more "I beat the odds" kind of story than a transfer falling through because of a salary dispute.

 

[Velolover2]

Another Gaviria vs. Ewan sprint today?

The stage doesn't look hard enough for them to get dropped.

 

[pablohidalgo7]

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Another Gaviria vs. Ewan sprint today?

The stage doesn't look hard enough for them to get dropped.

Too hard for ewan and even Gaviria, Montefalco climb has 1 km at 11% with 18% slopes.

 

[DNP-Old]

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Another Gaviria vs. Ewan sprint today?

The stage doesn't look hard enough for them to get dropped.

Too hard for ewan and even Gaviria, Montefalco climb has 1 km at 11% with 18% slopes.

Wouldn't rule out Gaviria just yet.

 

[GP Blanco]

Today's stage looks like a nice MSR warm-up.

 

[Flamin]

Gaviria vs himself. Sagan 2nd.

 

[Velolover2]

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Another Gaviria vs. Ewan sprint today?

The stage doesn't look hard enough for them to get dropped.

Too hard for ewan and even Gaviria, Montefalco climb has 1 km at 11% with 18% slopes.

Cool. I would like to see some of the riders who have lost the GC attack. Uran, Rodriguez, Pozzovivo, etc. Let's get a fun stage.

 

[Brullnux]

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Another Gaviria vs. Ewan sprint today?

The stage doesn't look hard enough for them to get dropped.

Ewan will be very lucky to get over; very lucky or very strong. Tinkoff and DD will be going all out on that last climb to drop him, Viviani and Gaviria. Add in a few attacks on the <10% section and then it will be a very hard stage. I have no idea if Gaviria will get over them. He did well in that hilly San Luis stage and that climb was a similar length just not as steep and more regular, and also he was in comparatively better shape than the other guys. Interesting stage. Let's go

 

[Mr.White]

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Yeah, its a good deal. Mostly because Gaviria is gonna be worth a shitload. Kittel isn't worth that much. Couple of stage wins in GT's and other WT races and maybe some flat one day races. The fact that he can't recover from climbing a speedbump hurts his worth so, so much.

From a commercial point of view, winning 4 flat tdf stages > winning all 5 monuments in the same year. So Kittel is worth a lot, if he can get back to his former self.

No,no... Maybe >1 monument. 5 Monuments worth at least 10mil. a year

 

[Velolover2]

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Another Gaviria vs. Ewan sprint today?

The stage doesn't look hard enough for them to get dropped.

Ewan will be very lucky to get over; very lucky or very strong. Tinkoff and DD will be going all out on that last climb to drop him, Viviani and Gaviria. Add in a few attacks on the <10% section and then it will be a very hard stage. I have no idea if Gaviria will get over them. He did well in that hilly San Luis stage and that climb was a similar length just not as steep and more regular, and also he was in comparatively better shape than the other guys. Interesting stage. Let's go

I agree! This stage should have been stage 5 instead of 4 and vice versa. Then we could have seen a guy like Nibali attack!

 

[DNP-Old]

Gaviria is already at the front on the climb of the Montefalco.

 

[Vroome.exe]

Cav, Ewan and Viviani dropped.