Tirreno-Adriatico 2023, March 6-12

[Ilmaestro99]

Ngl, when I saw the Jumbo jersey I legitimately thought it was Kelderman for the fraction of a second before I realised it was the Red Bull helmet. Good thing it wasn't, because knowing his luck he would have broken multiple bones in the exact same crash.

When you see Bright Red and Jumbo rider crashed 4km from the finish you immediately think Landa and Kelderman, not WVA and Pidcock lol.

Landa and Kelderman would be out for 2 months after that crash instead of getting up and chatting to the finish

 

[Red Rick]

Well done, Roglič, although it doesn't say too much about his form, but he's on the right track.

Lafay could have finished top 3, if not better, but he hit the front too early.

Appalling coverage at the end. There was no need to film Van Aert and Pidcock for so long.

Finish looked weird, not gonna lie.

Profile says 7% pretty consistently but they looked like they were crawling, including over the finish.

 

[JosefK]

Cautiously, a good sign for Rog in his journey back to top form.

 

[Mayomaniac]

I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that the crashed rider wasn't Landa.

The downsides of being a Landa and/or Pozzovivo fan: whenever a split of a crash happens you instantly have a bad feeling...

 

[Mayomaniac]

Watcha gonna do if Roglamania runs wild on you, brother?!

 

[RedheadDane]

So, he shaved his legs?

 

[BR2]

So, he shaved his legs?

He didn't need to, he didn't plan to crash today but win.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

The downsides of being a Landa and/or Pozzovivo fan: whenever a split of a crash happens you instantly have a bad feeling...

You know I'm a fan of both, particularly landa, and I get this feeling often. But it got so much worse after that Giro stage to Cattolica almost 2 years ago.

It was frankly traumatic, to see the crash on the twisty run-in on a forgettable stage, to see the Bahrain rider lying in the floor, thinking that it can't be landa because he is too tall and too skinny. And that Landa was in the form of his life and was so strong yesterday, that the form was so good and finally it would be the year after so much bad luck, it can't be

And then the sinking feeling in my stomach, when It became clear that it was Landa, and the realisation that he was really in pain, as he lay there sprawling on the road, alone with nobody else, with his broken ribs . The 6 months of work to the race sacrificed.

The crash caused by Dumbrowski not looking where he was going and crashing into Mikel. Damiano fking Caruso getting 2nd overall and winning the queen stage afrer being there to work for Mikel, the whole Bahrain team flying that summer.


I never forget this, the most traumatic moment I have seen as a cycling fan ( from a partisan perspective, I have seen more traumatic incidents) the injustice of the whole event. Since then everytime I think Landa has crashed I get the same feeling, scared to relive the same trauma

 

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didn't expect O'Connor to lose half a minute here. He looked pretty good the laps before, but even finished behind Gall in the end.

 

[Mayomaniac]

You know I'm a fan of both, particularly landa, and I get this feeling often. But it got so much worse after that Giro stage to Cattolica almost 2 years ago.

It was frankly traumatic, to see the crash on the twisty run-in on a forgettable stage, to see the Bahrain rider lying in the floor, thinking that it can't be landa because he is too tall and too skinny. And that Landa was in the form of his life and was so strong yesterday, that the form was so good and finally it would be the year after so much bad luck, it can't be

And then the sinking feeling in my stomach, when It became clear that it was Landa, and the realisation that he was really in pain, as he lay there sprawling on the road, alone with nobody else, with his broken ribs . The 6 months of work to the race sacrificed.

The crash caused by Dumbrowski not looking where he was going and crashing into Mikel. Damiano fking Caruso getting 2nd overall and winning the queen stage afrer being there to work for Mikel, the whole Bahrain team flying that summer.


I never forget this, the most traumatic moment I have seen as a cycling fan ( from a partisan perspective, I have seen more traumatic incidents) the injustice of the whole event. Since then everytime I think Landa has crashed I get the same feeling, scared to relive the same trauma

That Pozzovivo crash early in the 2015 (?) Giro was worse, people actually feared for his life.

The worst thing that turned out well was that AVV crash in the Rio Olympics, it looked like she had just broken her neck.

 

[Escarabajo]

Does anybody has the full stage standings and GC?

 

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Does anybody has the full stage standings and GC?

2023 Tirreno-Adriatico

The 4th Stage of 2023 Tirreno - Adriatico was won by Primoz Roglic of Jumbo-Visma.

firstcycling.com

 

[Ilmaestro99]

That Pozzovivo crash early in the 2015 (?) Giro was worse, people actually feared for his life.

The worst thing that turned out well was that AVV crash in the Rio Olympics, it looked like she had just broken her neck.

Yes I remember the crash and the TV images, of him lying face down in the road , and how scary it was. But i didn't watch that stage live (for some reason, I don't remembr) so it doesn't quite invoke the same memories.

Pozzo robbed of a great Giro in that year, he was very strong in the spring

 

[tobydawq]

So, you are comparing climbing performances when he gets a free 4 minute lead (to only stay ahead by seconds) where he could ride each climb at his own pace, to when he has to follow actual climbers from the bunch? Seriously?

A free 4 minute lead? Are you kidding me?

For someone who is always up in arms when people misrepresent anything happening regarding Remco and a few other riders, THAT is really lame!

 

[nightowl]

Lots of teams with multiple cards to play tomorrow could make for a very interesting final climb.

Of course now that I’ve said that, they’ll look at each other the whole time and have a group sprint at the top

 

[Red Rick]

The stage where he put 3.5 minutes into 11th place despite starting his efforts far earlier? That was definitely a far better-climbing Van der Poel than today's.

That day was crazy cold tho?

I do suspect MvdP is better on such climbs when it's just hard racing all day instead of very low pace on flats then high pace on the climbs.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

A free 4 minute lead? Are you kidding me?

For someone who is always up in arms when people misrepresent anything happening regarding Remco and a few other riders, THAT is really lame!

You want to compare this to which effort of Evenepoel exactly? Either Evenepoel is racing for GC, so when he does a solo in a stagerace, he is always marked. Otherwise (Liège, Worlds, San Sebastian...) it's a one day race where the winner takes all. In this case, it was not a world championship or a monument, it was a stage in Tirreno, and Van der Poel was not riding for GC. Which is why he was allowed to go, which is why he wasn't marked by Pogacar or the other GC teams. Yes, in that sense it was very much "free". That doesn't mean he didn't have to work for it or was dropped off with a taxi. But feel free to act indignant, as if you do not know what i meant, and if you yourself do not see how the comparison with Evenepoel is as dumb as it gets.

 

[rokovski]

Wout is not good in this race and he is still first option
Dumbo unVisma

https://twitter.com/x/status/1633859301864341507

View: https://twitter.com/VelonCC/status/1633859301864341507?t=_GVuDxjQAJ5WhgScs2B4Pw&s=09

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Wout is not good in this race and he is still first option
Dumbo unVisma

https://twitter.com/x/status/1633859301864341507

View: https://twitter.com/VelonCC/status/1633859301864341507?t=_GVuDxjQAJ5WhgScs2B4Pw&s=09

You didn't see him going up each climb, twiddling his thumbs while whistling? How is he not good in this race? He's purposely not bothered going for a stagewin yet, because he doesn't want to overdo it like two years ago. Doesn't mean he is not good or that he could not have won today. And if he is bad, there is no way of knowing.

 

[Red Rick]

You didn't see him going up each climb, twiddling his thumbs while whistling? How is he not good in this race? He's purposely not bothered going for a stagewin yet, because he doesn't want to overdo it like two years ago. Doesn't mean he is not good or that he could not have won today. And if he is bad, there is no way of knowing.

Doubt he's bad.

I checked Strava and they did the first climb at a similar speed to the last climb. Obviously repeating climbs get harder but it's still a hard effort for a 6'30 climb. And with the finish being somewhat technical and more flat, I'm not surprised the main plan was to go for Van Aert today.

 

[gunara]

You know I'm a fan of both, particularly landa, and I get this feeling often. But it got so much worse after that Giro stage to Cattolica almost 2 years ago.

It was frankly traumatic, to see the crash on the twisty run-in on a forgettable stage, to see the Bahrain rider lying in the floor, thinking that it can't be landa because he is too tall and too skinny. And that Landa was in the form of his life and was so strong yesterday, that the form was so good and finally it would be the year after so much bad luck, it can't be

And then the sinking feeling in my stomach, when It became clear that it was Landa, and the realisation that he was really in pain, as he lay there sprawling on the road, alone with nobody else, with his broken ribs . The 6 months of work to the race sacrificed.

The crash caused by Dumbrowski not looking where he was going and crashing into Mikel. Damiano fking Caruso getting 2nd overall and winning the queen stage afrer being there to work for Mikel, the whole Bahrain team flying that summer.


I never forget this, the most traumatic moment I have seen as a cycling fan ( from a partisan perspective, I have seen more traumatic incidents) the injustice of the whole event. Since then everytime I think Landa has crashed I get the same feeling, scared to relive the same trauma

Mikel and his old-fashion tragic aura, I feel that. I don't know where it first came from, not from a crash I guess, maybe 2015 Giro, he just oozes sadness and worries.

 

[theyoungest]

Strong and smart riding by Roglic. Tomorrow will be more of an actual indication where his form is, but

Wout is not good in this race and he is still first option
Dumbo unVisma

https://twitter.com/x/status/1633859301864341507

View: https://twitter.com/VelonCC/status/1633859301864341507?t=_GVuDxjQAJ5WhgScs2B4Pw&s=09

Wout isn't bad, he's just in training mode. In the first time trial he explicitly asked his DS to coach him so that he wouldn't be the fastest at the finish. He finished 5 seconds off the leading time of Denz. Yesterday and today were probably the first stages where he really went for it.

Primoz Roglic: "Dat ik mijn benen niet hoef te scheren? Daardoor verloor ik 1 minuut in de tijdrit" | sporza

Primoz Roglic zal zijn seizoensdebuut sowieso met een bevredigend gevoel afsluiten. Op zijn 4e koersdag van 2023 was de Sloveen al trefzeker. "Het raakt me wel", gaf hij toe.

sporza.be

Interviewer to Roglic: "You've proven that you don't have to shave your legs to be able to win".
Roglic: "Yeah, but that's why I lost one minute in the time trial".

 

[Berflamand]

You want to compare this to which effort of Evenepoel exactly? Either Evenepoel is racing for GC, so when he does a solo in a stagerace, he is always marked. Otherwise (Liège, Worlds, San Sebastian...) it's a one day race where the winner takes all. In this case, it was not a world championship or a monument, it was a stage in Tirreno, and Van der Poel was not riding for GC. Which is why he was allowed to go, which is why he wasn't marked by Pogacar or the other GC teams. Yes, in that sense it was very much "free". That doesn't mean he didn't have to work for it or was dropped off with a taxi. But feel free to act indignant, as if you do not know what i meant, and if you yourself do not see how the comparison with Evenepoel is as dumb as it gets.

I don't think Toby is comparing any effort between Van der Poel/Evenepoel but only the liberal use (according to Toby) of the word 'free' in this context while any misrepresentation (or 'too liberal' representation) against other riders (like Remco) causes you to correct them often very meticulously.

 

[Unterlenkerfahrend]

I still don't understand why Ganna was top 5 wheels over the climb the first two times only to immidiately wave the white flag at the beginning of the last ascent. Surely he should've known better how to pace it?

 

[Lequack]

Rogla: "Onwards!"

Guy on the left: "Wow hairy legs"