Tom Danielson

[veganrob]

Is he under contract with any team? I don't see him listed. Would anybody be crazy enough to give him a ride in ToC?

 

[Catwhoorg]

Being as he is provisionally suspended, he will not have a team right now.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Is he under contract with any team? I don't see him listed. Would anybody be crazy enough to give him a ride in ToC?

There are plenty in pro cycling.

 

[V3R1T4S]

Is he under contract with any team? I don't see him listed. Would anybody be crazy enough to give him a ride in ToC?

There are plenty in pro cycling.

In 2014 SmartStop almost brought on Leipheimer for this exact reason. Lupus signed Horner this season for essentially a similar one. Continental "pro" cycling in the US almost entirely subsists on fanboyism.

Not much to add to the subject beyond if USADA can't finish the job here then I think it's truly hopeless.

 

[thehog]

Is he under contract with any team? I don't see him listed. Would anybody be crazy enough to give him a ride in ToC?

There are plenty in pro cycling.

In 2014 SmartStop almost brought on Leipheimer for this exact reason. Lupus signed Horner this season for essentially a similar one. Continental "pro" cycling in the US almost entirely subsists on fanboyism.

Not much to add to the subject beyond if USADA can't finish the job here then I think it's truly hopeless.

Of course USADA can't close it... why? Because if they ban TommyD for 8 years he'll tell everyone about the affidavit 2006 sham. If they let him off everyone will call it BS.

Best approach here is to drag it out so long everyone forgets around the two year mark.

 

[Irondan]

@tomdanielson Oh man a Gibraltar Mtn top finish!!!!! Got to get back for that one. Fingers crossed.

Did anyone see TD's most recent tweet? I believe this was about Tour of California. He's thinking he could be back by May? There has to be something going on we don't see. Obviously, he'd have to worry about getting signed. But, he seems to think he could be able to race by May. Odd.

He's been acting as though he has a secret for quite some time.

Obviously, he knows something the rest of us don't...

 

[sniper]

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Of course USADA can't close it... why? Because if they ban TommyD for 8 years he'll tell everyone about the affidavit 2006 sham. If they let him off everyone will call it BS.

Best approach here is to drag it out so long everyone forgets around the two year mark.

this sounds like a fair assessment.

is UCI entitled to interfere here and demand something of a closure?

 

[Benotti69]

If only there was someone in pro cycling who dedicates their life to anti-doping who could do something about this?????

 

[pastronef]

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If only there was someone in pro cycling who dedicates their life to anti-doping who could do something about this?????

I dont often like your posts but this here, and the last about MPCC are spot on.

 

[thehog]

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Of course USADA can't close it... why? Because if they ban TommyD for 8 years he'll tell everyone about the affidavit 2006 sham. If they let him off everyone will call it BS.

Best approach here is to drag it out so long everyone forgets around the two year mark.

this sounds like a fair assessment.

is UCI entitled to interfere here and demand something of a closure?

Even if the athlete had a reason for ingesting the substance USADA are obliged to announce the B sample finding.

That hasn't occurred here. Which gives rise that USADA considering they required TommyD to sing from the 2012 hymn sheet as directed are powerless to rule over him now.

The UCI can't step in until the case is sanctioned and handed to them.

This one will sit with a fake pretend 18 month sanaction and Tommy will be riding again once settled with USADA "not commenting further on the matter" apart from a vague press release.

 

[sniper]

cheers hog

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they required TommyD to sing from the 2012 hymn sheet
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anybody who ever took that "2006 truce" stuff serious should have his head examined.
will the brain of the cycling fan ever be more insulted than in that particular instance? i doubt it.

 

[jmdirt]

Why is everyone picking on one of the cleanest riders to ever turn the pedals in anger?! That was painful to type, what I meant to say was, this guy may be the dirtiest USA rider of all time, yep dirtier than uno., yet he's still hanging around. I agree with others that USADA doesn't want a TD tell all book and talk show tour.

Tom, please go away!

 

[thehog]

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If only there was someone in pro cycling who dedicates their life to anti-doping who could do something about this?????

Truth be told, I'm not sure what the General Manager of an LLC could actually do.

Terms like “dedicated to anti-doping”, “zero tolerance policy” are more of a company vision / mission statement. They are not actual ingrained mandates of an LLC (by law). No fiduciary is created through the purchase of goods/services so there is no reason to uphold such statements.

Besides that’s why you have an Limited Liability Company, so you cannot be held personally liable for the actions of others (and no double taxation).

The contracted employees of a such a structure are unto themselves. The only issue that could arise would be if Danielson was is in breach of contract and wasn't paid his salary.

Nevertheless his contract was due to cease at the end of 2015. If payments were stopped prior there might be a case for back payment but doubtful that occurred as there wasn't a A|B sample suspension in place (that we are aware of).

 

[fmk_RoI]

Even if the athlete had a reason for ingesting the substance USADA are obliged to announce the B sample finding.

Can you point me to the section of the World Anti-Doping Code - or USADA rules - which says this? TIA.

 

[Benotti69]

Even if the athlete had a reason for ingesting the substance USADA are obliged to announce the B sample finding.

Can you point me to the section of the World Anti-Doping Code - or USADA rules - which says this? TIA.

You mean they are not obliged to announce a B sample finding.....that is very conspiratorial in your thinking!

 

[thehog]

Even if the athlete had a reason for ingesting the substance USADA are obliged to announce the B sample finding.

Can you point me to the section of the World Anti-Doping Code - or USADA rules - which says this? TIA.

You mean they are not obliged to announce a B sample finding.....that is very conspiratorial in your thinking!

He is actually correct per public announcement. Its slightly more complex than this based on the points but in essence the findings cannot be released until the entire process has borne out.

18. Confidentially

USADA shall not Publicly Disclose or comment upon any Athlete’s Adverse Analytical Finding or Atypical Finding or upon any information related to any alleged doping violation (including violations not involving an Adverse Analytical Finding) until after the Athlete or other Person (1) has been found to have committed an anti-doping rule violation in a hearing conducted under this Protocol, or (2) has failed to request a hearing within the time set forth in section 12(a) of this Protocol, or (3) has agreed in writing to the sanction sought by USADA. However, USADA may provide notification to the USOC, NGB, IF, WADA, an Event organizer or team selecting
entity (or other sporting body ordering the test) as provided for in this Protocol.

USADA does not control how information provided by USADA to the USOC, NGBs, IFs, WADA and other sports organizations is disseminated but will include statements to each organization requesting that any organization receiving such information keep it confidential until disclosed by USADA. USADA may comment publicly at any time on any aspect of the results management/adjudication process or the applicable rules without making specific reference to any Athlete or other Person alleged to have committed an anti-doping rule violation. USADA may also release aggregate statistics of Testing and adjudication results. In the event an Athlete or other Person or the Athlete’s or other Person’s representative(s) or others associated with the Athlete or other Person make(s) public comments about their case or the process involving the Athlete or other Person then USADA may respond publicly to such comments in whatever manner and to whatever extent USADA deems appropriate.

https://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/USADA_protocol.pdf

 

[fmk_RoI]

You mean they are not obliged to announce a B sample finding.....that is very conspiratorial in your thinking!

No, it's called knowing the rules.

 

[Benotti69]

You mean they are not obliged to announce a B sample finding.....that is very conspiratorial in your thinking!

No, it's called knowing the rules.

When did rules have anything to do with sport, apart from breaking them?

 

[Benotti69]

According to the Denver Post last 11/06/2015 Tom Danielson B sample also tested positive for anabolic agent, USADA says

http://www.denverpost.com/cycling/ci_29083843/tom-danielson-b-sample-also-tested-positive-anabolic

and yet no ban.....go figure!

JV's silence, for a man who has supposedly dedicated his life to anti-doping, is deafening.

Why did the rest of the media not pick up on this?

Omertà is strong.

 

[sniper]

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According to the Denver Post last 11/06/2015 Tom Danielson B sample also tested positive for anabolic agent, USADA says

http://www.denverpost.com/cycling/ci_29083843/tom-danielson-b-sample-also-tested-positive-anabolic

and yet no ban.....go figure!

JV's silence, for a man who has supposedly dedicated his life to anti-doping, is deafening.

Why did the rest of the media not pick up on this?

Omertà is strong.

US media have practically ignored at least a decade of state-sponsored, publicly announced, junior doping.
I'm not surprised they ignore Danielson's case.

The phenomenon of JV's clean cycling talk, and the media uncritically buying it, goes back to the late 70s/early 80s, when USOC was doping juniors under the guise of 'internal testing' and, together with sponsor 7-eleven and the USCF, suddenly had to whitewash the 1984 scandal.

 

[zigmeister]

So, it has been months...and yet, still nothing regarding Tommy Boy?!?! I don't know what to be concerned about, the long-drawn out process regarding the handling of doping that are laid out. Basically, the silent treatment and no comments policy, until what?

Tom seems to have shut up. And no ToC for him obviously. And we still don't know what the reason is for any of this...except the adverse finding??

This entire situation is just absurd.

 

[Maxiton]

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So, it has been months...and yet, still nothing regarding Tommy Boy?!?! I don't know what to be concerned about, the long-drawn out process regarding the handling of doping that are laid out. Basically, the silent treatment and no comments policy, until what?

Tom seems to have shut up. And no ToC for him obviously. And we still don't know what the reason is for any of this...except the adverse finding??

This entire situation is just absurd.

I'm pretty sure the "adverse finding" is all the reason needed. The only thing missing is the process that should have followed, making it official.

 

[Benotti69]

Danielson's name will appear on a pdf on the UCI website near or after the end of 2 years since he got popped, ignoring a 2nd ban that should mean a min 4 years and anyone who makes a big deal of it will go into JVs and others black book

 

[pastronef]

a question: if he gets banned, he cannot have training camps and coaching job? even if he trains and coaches mamils who dont race?

 

[V3R1T4S]

a question: if he gets banned, he cannot have training camps and coaching job? even if he trains and coaches mamils who dont race?

I believe the ban is against licensed racers; no one can hold authority over random, non-racing MAMILs seeking chamois sniffing.

The whole thing reeks. USADA keeps looking worse and worse, which is a shame. Only a lifetime ban could redeem their "commitment to clean athletes".

Regardless, this is the rest of your life TummyD! Your only skill set is to train with a bunch of middle-aged sniffers while your kids eventually realize you not only cheated in sport but with their mother.

Don't do drugs kids; find a real passion and contribute to society and do not end up like TummyD.