2013 Tour had a 30k-ish tailwind TT and a TT with 2 second category climbs in it.Quintana was 2nd in the 2013 Tour that had a couple of TT. MTT is not the problems for climbers either. You have to exclude that. And Vanimpe, Pantani and Delgado I don't remember them as good TT's. Maybe just like Sastre they had an excepcional TT of their life during their respective wins. Bur that's it. Being in form help. At least for Quintana.
Or closer mountain stages are a result of decreased ITT kms. Thing with Roglic is that he was probably the best climber in the race, so in that case the route doesn't really matter.Remember how Roglic' win in the Vuelta never being in doubt was the only negative point about the Vuelta?
Decrease in ITTage is the counter to mountain trains and closer mountain stages, like slower tennis courts are the counter to changes in racket technology.
Now obviously I'm not saying every GT should have one 25km ITT, but I just think the days of 100+ km of ITT in a GT should be over unless something also drastically changes about mountain stages.
I think the bottom line should be about 40km of ITTage and I also think only the Giro could put in 80km of ITTs and still remain balanced.
Obviously all this would always depend on which riders are the best in the world at any given point.
Okay - 89 was where he missed his start time.He tested positive and got off on a technicality. He improved suspiciously on everything during that Tour. He used to have bad days but that Tour he killed everyone.
Hmmm. I don't believe him. The guy isn't exactly stupid, so he should know what to expect, more or less. Not sure why Jumbo would have an issue with him targeting Olympic gold, either. They have a very capable leader in Roglic who was promised Tour leadership for 2020.
Yeah, with that disclaimer. Of course.No Dumoulin hints that he doesn't mind working for Roglic if he can win and he himself can't
Jumbo probably has some idea, but it doesn't matter. Anyone with half a brain knows that a Dumoulin-friendly Tour de France route is never going to happen in the foreseeable future.And honestly I doubt pro riders are as deep into rumors as we are. They've usually got better things to do than worry about that way ahead of time.
Yeah nobody is asking for a Tour like 2012.Everyone talking about Dumo friendly tours. The last Tour he did ride was anything but Dumo friendly, and he was still one of the strongest climbers in the race, and better than Roglic and Froome there. After already doing the Giro.
Idk if he gets to that level, and idk how that compares to Roglic level, but underestimate Dumo at your own peril.
Would have been interesting. I think if Thomas had showed up in last year's form he would have won. I still rate Dumoulin ahead of Roglic especially in his 2017/18 form. I wonder how much Roglic has improved ? The Vuelta podium was an odd one but he did look better than he did in the Giro partly because of the opposition he faced. Yates also looked good in the previous Vuelta but hasn't done much since at least for GC. it's often a race where a rider can win a single grand tour only, and being a late season race, often, form can be more variable.Yeah nobody is asking for a Tour like 2012.
Just a Tour that's actually slightly balanced with either 1 long or 2 mid length ITTs.
Instead it's getting worse and worse and worse.
Not to mention I still think he could've won the Tour this year anyway.
Actually, I think he sums up very much my thoughts on the discussion some of you had earlier about whether he or Roglic could currently be considered the best rider.https://www.ad.nl/wielrennen/dumoulin-weer-happy-na-klotetijd-ik-heb-geen-afscheid-bij-sunweb-gehad~a17a83b1f/
Big interview with Dumoulin
He speaks of how unhappy he was with all the carrying team Sunweb in the end. Leaving and being just one of 3 leaders is a weight of his shoulders. Also says right now Roglic is better than he is.
Last year was weird. No idea how to rate the best GT riders compared to each other at the moment.Actually, I think he sums up very much my thoughts on the discussion some of you had earlier about whether he or Roglic could currently be considered the best rider.
I firmly believe that Roglic is the answer to that question but haven't contributed to that discussion because I couldn't really justify that with Dumoulin's Giro win and Giro Tour double second place.
But Dumoulin says in that interview that Roglic is dominating his races at the moment - and Dumoulin has never done so. Even the Giro he won was far from domination. And I think that's what makes me put Roglic over Dumoulin as well.
Cause those TTers you talk about are still top 10 climbers in the world, while those climbers aren't top 100 TTers in the world basically.How is it fair that a good TTer could gain 5+ minutes on one stage over a climber, yet the climbers would struggle to gain that much time back over 8 or 9 stages? I’m all for limiting ITT to 20km total and dispensing with TTT altogether.
A good TTer who can gain 5+ minutes on a climber on a single stage probably produces more W/kg than the said climber if he is not 10+kg heavierHow is it fair that a good TTer could gain 5+ minutes on one stage over a climber, yet the climbers would struggle to gain that much time back over 8 or 9 stages? I’m all for limiting ITT to 20km total and dispensing with TTT altogether.
How is it fair that only a climber is supposed to win a GT? How is it fair to the guys who are taller and weight more that they should be penalized for riding fast on the flat by removing as much ITT as possible?How is it fair that a good TTer could gain 5+ minutes on one stage over a climber, yet the climbers would struggle to gain that much time back over 8 or 9 stages? I’m all for limiting ITT to 20km total and dispensing with TTT altogether.
Yep, in every other stage teammates play a huge role in limiting the damage.I think the bigger issue is the time trialer has a better team that can control attacks vs having as little TT's as possible. I wish we had more during races with more hilly and mountain time trials. I wish races could have 3 or 4 with all terrain and length.
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