So he does, so he does. Aren't they just darling?Plus
he now has two puppies
not just one.
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So he does, so he does. Aren't they just darling?Plus
he now has two puppies
not just one.
It's compared to the hype around him, and what he's supposed to be able to do. Which is being a GT winner and at the same level as riders like Pogacar, MVDP, WVA, Evenepoel, etc. Which he isn't.Double world champ and Olympic champions off the road, Strade and Amstel, plus alpe stage in tour. If he's the most over rated rider according to the board........
Most solipsistic take ever.I already said in the "Most overrated rider" thread that these kind of polls are inherently worthless. If you overrate a rider, you'll never vote for him as overrated. And you're most likely to vote for a rider whom you underrate.
The question is basically "What rider am I wrong about?". How are people ever going to vote truthfully on such a question?
It's compared to the hype around him, and what he's supposed to be able to do. Which is being a GT winner and at the same level as riders like Pogacar, MVDP, WVA, Evenepoel, etc. Which he isn't.
The topic is created in the road racing subforum.In the last 6 months he's won a XCO World Cup, a CX World Cup, and now a World Tour road race........No one else has done that; man or woman.
Being good at one discipline is impressive, he's good at not one, not two, but three. That's not really normal.......
Too many on here, and in the media simply don't get it; the ignorance beggars belief......
It's still relevant. As anyone who has raced and trained knows, spending a meaningful portion of your training focusing on one hour efforts has a substantial effect on endurance road racing performance. It's impressive that he can juggle the two and still be in the contention for the win, especially in an Olympic year. He was training on the mountain bike in between PR and Amstel.The topic is created in the road racing subforum.
So if he stays juggling both, and never lives up to his supposed road potential we can never judge him?It's still relevant. As anyone who has raced and trained knows, spending a meaningful portion of your training focusing on one hour efforts has a substantial effect on endurance road racing performance. It's impressive that he can juggle the two and still be in the contention for the win, especially in an Olympic year. He was training on the mountain bike in between PR and Amstel.
If he transitions 100% to road (or just cx and road) then a judgement can be made on wether he is overrated or not.
So if he stays juggling both, and never lives up to his supposed road potential we can never judge him?
MVDP and WVA aren’t 100% going for the road. They also do CX, and MVDP might still go for MountainbikeNot in the context that he is being judged at the moment. He's balancing disciplines that do not necessarily compliment each other and then being measured against other riders whose focus is 100% road. How can he be over or underrated? There is essentially no answer to the question at the moment.
I do think it's a bad idea to be switching to GC with the current generation though. There's a potential that he and the team are overrating his abilities to compete with the top GC guys.
I don't see where MVDP or Van Aert come into this? They are 75kg+ and compete in the cobbled and flat classics, Pidcock is 59kg and rides the Ardennes/GC you wouldn't have compared Valverde to Cancellera or Boonen either. Even so, Van Aert won 5 UCI races on the road last year whilst Pidcock won two and competed in 11 MTB bike races over the span on 5 months in the middle of the road season including training for & winning the worlds. MvDP did two MTB races last year (one DNF) and they were both toward the end of the road season after the road worlds when he had no other targets.MVDP and WVA aren’t 100% going for the road. They also do CX, and MVDP might still go for Mountainbike
I'm not sure you should be putting Wout '2nd prize' van Aert in with the others. He's won one important road race in his career.It's compared to the hype around him, and what he's supposed to be able to do. Which is being a GT winner and at the same level as riders like Pogacar, MVDP, WVA, Evenepoel, etc. Which he isn't.
It's not just winning thought, Wout can TT, he can ride cobbles, he can field sprint and he can climb. That's a pretty complete set, if not the very best in any of them. But deep into 3 weeks he's been rock solid.I'm not sure you should be putting Wout '2nd prize' van Aert in with the others. He's won one important road race in his career.
He's also 5 years older than Pidcock. He is the walking embodiment of 'flatters to deceive'.
His palmares sucks compared to the rest of the big 6 is my point.It's not just winning thought, Wout can TT, he can ride cobbles, he can field sprint and he can climb. That's a pretty complete set, if not the best in any of them.
I think you are being too severe. Where he has lacked in big wins, he dropped Pogacar in the mountains (MVDP could not dream of doing so), enough said about his quality.His palmares sucks compared to the rest of the big 6 is my point.
I'm only talking about his big wins. As an overall rider he is immense. But he should have so many more major victories than he has.I think you are being too severe. Where he has lacked in big wins, he dropped Pogacar in the mountains (MVDP could not dream of doing so), enough said about his quality.
Ah, but somebody has gotten in the way. He has also too much pressure in Belgium, which is a reality, not an excuse.I'm only talking about his big wins. As an overall rider he is immense. But he should have so many more major victories than he has.
Pidcock?Ah, but somebody has gotten in the way. He has also too much pressure in Belgium, which is a reality, not an excuse.
If by dropping mean gapping someone temporarily then finishing minutes later then he could definitely dream of thatI think you are being too severe. Where he has lacked in big wins, he dropped Pogacar in the mountains (MVDP could not dream of doing so), enough said about his quality.
Well, there are no bounds to ignorance in our society, we should no longer be surprised by it.In the last 6 months he's won a XCO World Cup, a CX World Cup, and now a World Tour road race........No one else has done that; man or woman.
Being good at one discipline is impressive, he's good at not one, not two, but three. That's not really normal.......
Too many on here, and in the media simply don't get it; the ignorance beggars belief......
You said that he was taking the multi discipline approach, and compared to riders who don't. MVDP and WVA also take the multi discipline road and are compared to him.I don't see where MVDP or Van Aert come into this? They are 75kg+ and compete in the cobbled and flat classics, Pidcock is 59kg and rides the Ardennes/GC you wouldn't have compared Valverde to Cancellera or Boonen either.
Nah, because to be there at that point in the Tour in that capacity and get the job done, however you look at it, was exceptional for one who can also field sprint, TT and ride cobbles. Let's not forget he also won the double Mount Ventoux stage, if not in the GC hunt, which is different, but nonetheless comenworthy for one of his standing. If MVDP went all in for such feats, I very much doubt he would dominate the cobbled monuments or could achieve the same success. It's choices, but I still don't think MVDP is as complete as Van Aert.If by dropping mean gapping someone temporarily then finishing minutes later then he could definitely dream of that
Like claiming he dropped Pogacar, without context, is overrating Van Aert by default.
I didn't mention him taking a multi discipline approach in the context of CX/Road in any of my previous posts? Quite the opposite, I've said in two previous posts and now for a third time that having a CX/Road does not equate to what I would consider a multi discipline approach as the two disciplines do not run side by side on the calendar. My point was that he rides MTB and those races occur during the road racing program.You said that he was taking the multi discipline approach, and compared to riders who don't. MVDP and WVA also take the multi discipline road and are compared to him.