well theres a bunch of new staff theyve just hired...
New staff and performance structure changes announced
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well theres a bunch of new staff theyve just hired...
www.ineosgrenadiers.com
The “new Ineos” was often all about trying to replicate the old Ineos, which meant a lot of culture meetings. At one of these meetings in early 2024, according to an employee who was present, Allert told the Ineos Grenadiers he wanted them to think of themselves as a “tribe,” where everyone’s job was to protect the tribe and if you didn’t you’d be kicked out.
During this meeting, said the source, Pidcock raised his hand and said something along the lines of: “So you’re saying if we don’t fall in line we get booted out?” to which Allert replied: “Yes.”
“Well, that’s ***,” was Pidcock’s reaction, the employee recalled.
Another source with deep knowledge of the team corroborated the events, but said that Allert’s presentation was instead a 40-minute monologue where he told the team it had not been performing to standards. Pidcock, the source said, was the only one to stand up and back the riders and staff from what he viewed as unfair criticism, which drew respect from a lot of the team.
This interaction set the stage for a relationship that made headlines throughout the season, as Pidcock tested Allert’s proclamation and, in general, got his way. Cycling is, fundamentally, an individual sport competed in by teams; that tension underlies much of what Ineos went through this year.
As the previously mentioned long-time associate of the team told Escape, “Ineos have set up an athlete-centred and -driven system which gives all power to [riders]. So when they tell Tom he has to go to this training camp or complete the Tour, he turns around and says no, he wants to concentrate on winning gold at Paris so will do it the way he wants. They don’t have control over Tom.”
The lack of control over their 25-year-old star extended to Pidcock’s absence from their pre-Tour training camp on Tenerife, with the Brit instead opting to stay in Andorra to prepare for the Grand Tour alone, where he could also focus on quietly getting ready for the Olympic mountain bike race. The source who corroborated the Allert presentation said this plan to stay in Andorra was agreed between team and rider, but Pidcock was the only member of the Tour team not to join the camp on Teide.
Extract from escape collectives piece
Oh also anyone who was at the rouleur live with pidcock tonight, feel free to drop some hot gos if there was any 😊
During this meeting, said the source, Pidcock raised his hand and said something along the lines of: “So you’re saying if we don’t fall in line we get booted out?” to which Allert replied: “Yes.”
“Well, that’s ***,” was Pidcock’s reaction, the employee recalled.
Another source with deep knowledge of the team corroborated the events, but said that Allert’s presentation was instead a 40-minute monologue where he told the team it had not been performing to standards. Pidcock, the source said, was the only one to stand up and back the riders and staff from what he viewed as unfair criticism, which drew respect from a lot of the team.
This interaction set the stage for a relationship that made headlines throughout the season, as Pidcock tested Allert’s proclamation and, in general, got his way. Cycling is, fundamentally, an individual sport competed in by teams; that tension underlies much of what Ineos went through this year.
As the previously mentioned long-time associate of the team told Escape, “Ineos have set up an athlete-centred and -driven system which gives all power to [riders]. So when they tell Tom he has to go to this training camp or complete the Tour, he turns around and says no, he wants to concentrate on winning gold at Paris so will do it the way he wants. They don’t have control over Tom.”
The lack of control over their 25-year-old star extended to Pidcock’s absence from their pre-Tour training camp on Tenerife, with the Brit instead opting to stay in Andorra to prepare for the Grand Tour alone, where he could also focus on quietly getting ready for the Olympic mountain bike race. The source who corroborated the Allert presentation said this plan to stay in Andorra was agreed between team and rider, but Pidcock was the only member of the Tour team not to join the camp on Teide.
Extract from escape collectives piece
Oh also anyone who was at the rouleur live with pidcock tonight, feel free to drop some hot gos if there was any 😊
Apparently some topics were out of bounds for discussion.
But Matt Stephens did ask if Pidcock was in a happier clearer position now following the Ineos training camp.
"No" was the one word response. He later said there were always difficulties in changes and hoped it turns out well
But Matt Stephens did ask if Pidcock was in a happier clearer position now following the Ineos training camp.
"No" was the one word response. He later said there were always difficulties in changes and hoped it turns out well
Why is Pidders still at Ineos? Is it just the money?
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/racin...tom-pidcock-hints-at-ineos-grenadiers-tension
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/racin...tom-pidcock-hints-at-ineos-grenadiers-tension
Despite his and Ineos's best efforts, looks likely that he's staying for 2025. AFAIK, was always the intention that he would ride little or no MTB for a while after retaining The Olympic title. This was always going to be the year when we could really start seeing his full potential as a road rider.
Just my opinion here, but I think Pidcock and Ineos look pretty bad from this whole deal.
I mean, Pidders might need to put on big boy pants and decide what he wants to focus on. Of course, that might mean getting paid less. But such would be life. And it is not like he is not already wealthy. Or he can get paid well and have these public spats, falling outs, and generally look like a man-child.
And Ineos just need to figure everything out. What a mess. And of course, be careful what you sign riders to do
I mean, Pidders might need to put on big boy pants and decide what he wants to focus on. Of course, that might mean getting paid less. But such would be life. And it is not like he is not already wealthy. Or he can get paid well and have these public spats, falling outs, and generally look like a man-child.
And Ineos just need to figure everything out. What a mess. And of course, be careful what you sign riders to do
And now he's a cake*
*Please note that he has not actually been transformed into a cake by evil magic.
*Please note that he has not actually been transformed into a cake by evil magic.
leaving Ineos, announcement today according to Benson. Interesting if it is Q36.5, a risk, but then it was a risk leaving Telenet CX and forming his own team that eventually became Trinity.
More at risk this time with less options on the program for the 1st year at least.
More at risk this time with less options on the program for the 1st year at least.
I don't think Bora is in a situation where they can swap Van Gils with anyone.
Everyone is a loser but q36.5.
Ineos loses their most marketable rider and a great one day racer. Bad.
Pidcock - Couldn't get it all his own way and behaves like a toddler. Not competitive at the big events against the real generational talents and just decides he will not do it anymore. Does he realize he will not be part of the only bike race that reaches broad markets? He's making himself so much less of an asset with this move. Very few care about "garden races".
Ineos loses their most marketable rider and a great one day racer. Bad.
Pidcock - Couldn't get it all his own way and behaves like a toddler. Not competitive at the big events against the real generational talents and just decides he will not do it anymore. Does he realize he will not be part of the only bike race that reaches broad markets? He's making himself so much less of an asset with this move. Very few care about "garden races".
Went to a race this year a on a car roof rack a mint condition team bike from Rock racing!! I forgot all about that guy!! Tinkoff another look at me team that nobody looked at other than Sagan signing. If Pidcock goes Q36 he will be in the backwater immediately, Tudor is full and probably don't want drama. Pidcock is going to bring drama..
“Went to a race this year on a car roof rack” doesn’t sound very safe to me. Maybe should go in the “Accidents—how to prevent them” thread!
Who gives a toss about the Tour; the most over rated event in cycling. Cycling exists the other 49 weeks of the year. Why can't people move on from that race?
And a helluva lot of people watch what you call 'garden races'......and so do bike manufacturers, and component makers.
It's about 80% of the total market for pro cycling so, well, everyone. Outside of The Tour, cycling has very niche sport events. Sad but true. I like the other weeks of the year just as much but most people don't.
To be a great of the sport and be a widely recognized name in sport, you simply have to perform at the tour. Sad to see a rider of Pidcock's quality fail to even try.
Keyboard warrior here... I crashed 3 times on recent mountain bike outing. I am only ragging on Remco because he can't punch me. I am disqualified completely on avoiding accidents!! I was not mounted on the roofed bike, just admiring as I passed by..on foot.. In my town we also have 3 pretty old KHS race team bikes that are still in service, testament to durability!!“Went to a race this year on a car roof rack” doesn’t sound very safe to me. Maybe should go in the “Accidents—how to prevent them” thread!
If Pidcock goes to Q36 he will be riding new sick Scott bike.. It looks pretty amazing!!
Worth switching teams!!
Until he speaks about it unless it's NDAd we won't know that he was the toddler in this.
Ineos for months have had people leaving who have said its basically broken there, you aren't going to fix that by hiring a bunch of random support staff
Saw a lower (Shimano Ultegra) version of the new Scott Addict with the same paintjob, at a local dealer 2 days ago looks glorious!
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