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Wait what? Pretty sure both Uran and Bardet had more bonus seconds than Froome, not less. Which would mean Froome beat them both on the road by 30+ seconds :Question:
woodburn said:
Wait what? Pretty sure both Uran and Bardet had more bonus seconds than Froome, not less. Which would mean Froome beat them both on the road by 30+ seconds :Question:
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Weakest I have seen Froome since pre Vuelta transformation. Dead lucky Landa and Kwiat were stronger than him and were able to carry him whilst also weakening everyone else.
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I was cheering for El Puma but it's also nice to see Barguil win
This thisKyoGrey said:Peloton full of losers and team restrains.
Why can't we develop a time machine and land a 27 yo Contador on board?
I was cheering for El Puma but it's also nice to see Barguil win
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Froome is at the same level. The rest just got near his level.
Arredondo said:How bad will Valverde feel atm? He could have won this race. Froome is nowhere near his level of the past years.
It's just that the competition is at a low now. I have never seen such poor rivalry since .... i don't know really
Froome is at the same level. The rest just got near his level.
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You could see towards the end him dropping. So it looks like he was dead TBH.DFA123 said:
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Yep, really poor GC standard this year. I think Bardet and Uran will look back at this and really regret not having at least tried to do a longer range attack or some other tactical move. This may well be their one shot at winning the biggest race in the world, and neither had the balls to really go for it.Arredondo said:How bad will Valverde feel atm? He could have won this race. Froome is nowhere near his level of the past years.
It's just that the competition is at a low now. I have never seen such poor rivalry since .... i don't know really
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Strongly doubt this. Froome hasn't performed alien level for two years now, and there is a reason why. He is onyl a few months younger than Nibali after all.Ikbengodniet said:Arredondo said:How bad will Valverde feel atm? He could have won this race. Froome is nowhere near his level of the past years.
It's just that the competition is at a low now. I have never seen such poor rivalry since .... i don't know really
Froome is at the same level. The rest just got near his level.
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I doubt that Uran and Bardet are as strong as Quintana in 2015.Ikbengodniet said:Arredondo said:How bad will Valverde feel atm? He could have won this race. Froome is nowhere near his level of the past years.
It's just that the competition is at a low now. I have never seen such poor rivalry since .... i don't know really
Froome is at the same level. The rest just got near his level.
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Thats simply not true. You could see it clearly today. Additionally many here are now ranting over the low level of competition. Also not true at all if you look at climbing times. Bardet was already very good and has the natural age progression going on for him, Uran can't really be explained, but apparently rode in an all-time bestform.
Pantani Attacks said:
Thats simply not true. You could see it clearly today. Additionally many here are now ranting over the low level of competition. Also not true at all if you look at climbing times. Bardet was already very good and has the natural age progression going on for him, Uran can't really be explained, but apparently rode in an all-time bestform.
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I'm a big fan of Valverde's abilities, but no ways would he have won this race.
Hypothetics are a waste of time, especially when you are so wrong.
Arredondo said:How bad will Valverde feel atm? He could have won this race. Froome is nowhere near his level of the past years.
It's just that the competition is at a low now. I have never seen such poor rivalry since .... i don't know really
I'm a big fan of Valverde's abilities, but no ways would he have won this race.
Hypothetics are a waste of time, especially when you are so wrong.
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Because he was the best at altitude!
Here we go again.Arredondo said:How bad will Valverde feel atm? He could have won this race. Froome is nowhere near his level of the past years.
It's just that the competition is at a low now. I have never seen such poor rivalry since .... i don't know really
Because he was the best at altitude!
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There's a chance they play it up for the camera.... just to prove how much they're burying themselves.. If they didn't stop brailsford would probably give out to them for still having energy left.
arvc40 said:
There's a chance they play it up for the camera.... just to prove how much they're burying themselves.. If they didn't stop brailsford would probably give out to them for still having energy left.
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Valverde is irrelevant.Arredondo said:How bad will Valverde feel atm? He could have won this race. Froome is nowhere near his level of the past years.
It's just that the competition is at a low now. I have never seen such poor rivalry since .... i don't know really
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Of course everyone is dead in the last km when riders are sprinting for the line. But why not try a longer effort going 7km from the top, or try something on the Vars using his team-mates up he road? He never tried anything all race so will never know how Froome or Bardet would have reacted. Maybe Froome would have blown up or messed up tactically; Bardet and Uran didn't even give him the opportunity to do so.Escarabajo said:
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Even B Grade Froome is good enough to win. The fact that he attacked on a flat part of the climb says it all about his climbing.
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That is because Quintana 2015 was stronger than Froome.
Gigs_98 said:I doubt that Uran and Bardet are as strong as Quintana in 2015.Ikbengodniet said:Arredondo said:How bad will Valverde feel atm? He could have won this race. Froome is nowhere near his level of the past years.
It's just that the competition is at a low now. I have never seen such poor rivalry since .... i don't know really
Froome is at the same level. The rest just got near his level.
That is because Quintana 2015 was stronger than Froome.
- May 11, 2013
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You will have to get used to this. Froome, Nibali are declining, Contador is done, Nairo fell off a cliff and there's a larger group of young riders who are pretty much equal. And Valverde would not have won this Tour.Arredondo said:How bad will Valverde feel atm? He could have won this race. Froome is nowhere near his level of the past years.
It's just that the competition is at a low now. I have never seen such poor rivalry since .... i don't know really
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Climbing times will be inflated this race I think for other reasons as well. Partly because there have only been about six proper climbs in three weeks, and partly they were nearly all ridden at the most efficient steady tempo by Sky domestiques, rather than more usual stop-start attacks.ppanther92 said:
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Yet who got the Jersey.Ikbengodniet said:Gigs_98 said:I doubt that Uran and Bardet are as strong as Quintana in 2015.Ikbengodniet said:Arredondo said:How bad will Valverde feel atm? He could have won this race. Froome is nowhere near his level of the past years.
It's just that the competition is at a low now. I have never seen such poor rivalry since .... i don't know really
Froome is at the same level. The rest just got near his level.
That is because Quintana 2015 was stronger than Froome.
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