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WATCH.
THE.
PICTURE.
sigh..
http://i.imgur.com/9QTHNdI.jpg
Lance Armstrong said:No, it's Cav's shoulder hitting Sagan's elbow. If you look at front wheels and their shadows, both bikes are now side by side and there's no space for Mark. Sagan's elbow in a natural position.Vroome.exe said:cineteq said:This is all I needed it to see
Remember who was the guy who destroyed Haussler career?
Yep that's Sagan riding into Cav who's trying to stay upright after being pushed. And I don't remember Sagan destroying Haussler's career.
WATCH.
THE.
PICTURE.
sigh..
http://i.imgur.com/9QTHNdI.jpg
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Firstly, watch the video.
Secondly, according to Cav the crash was as much Haussler's fault as his. He spends a whole page of his book explaining why.
(However, on that I will say that that crash DID look to me like Cav's fault, so I would blame him.)
Thirdly, some of Haussler's best results came in the years after that crash - 1st Australian National RR, 1st stage Tour of Beijing, 1st Points Classification Paris-Nice, 1st 2 stages of Tour of Qatar, 6th Flanders and, only last year, he got 6th in Roubaix and 7th in MSR. So no, it didn't destroy Haussler's career.
Fourthly, though in my opinion Cav was at fault for that crash, how does that justify what Sagan did? Two wrongs don't make a right.
cineteq said:
Firstly, watch the video.
Secondly, according to Cav the crash was as much Haussler's fault as his. He spends a whole page of his book explaining why.
(However, on that I will say that that crash DID look to me like Cav's fault, so I would blame him.)
Thirdly, some of Haussler's best results came in the years after that crash - 1st Australian National RR, 1st stage Tour of Beijing, 1st Points Classification Paris-Nice, 1st 2 stages of Tour of Qatar, 6th Flanders and, only last year, he got 6th in Roubaix and 7th in MSR. So no, it didn't destroy Haussler's career.
Fourthly, though in my opinion Cav was at fault for that crash, how does that justify what Sagan did? Two wrongs don't make a right.
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I don't think the picture tells the whole story. If you look at the seconds prior to that shot, you will notice that Demare had been swinging hard in that direction, while Sagan had tried to be in his slipstream moving accordingly. It seems Sagan though they were already close enough to the barrier so that nobody would have dared to try and go through. That's why I think Cav took a huge risk in trying to pass.
Ok perhaps Sagan is guilty of, at that point, moving ever so closer against the transenes, at which point Cav was rubbing against him and shouting out of terror. The arm went up as a reflex to stay upright. I think Sagan was truly incredulous to Cav's front wheel actually bumping his thigh.
Walkman said:
I don't think the picture tells the whole story. If you look at the seconds prior to that shot, you will notice that Demare had been swinging hard in that direction, while Sagan had tried to be in his slipstream moving accordingly. It seems Sagan though they were already close enough to the barrier so that nobody would have dared to try and go through. That's why I think Cav took a huge risk in trying to pass.
Ok perhaps Sagan is guilty of, at that point, moving ever so closer against the transenes, at which point Cav was rubbing against him and shouting out of terror. The arm went up as a reflex to stay upright. I think Sagan was truly incredulous to Cav's front wheel actually bumping his thigh.
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Anyway, Sagan was officially penalized.
That's one second prior to the incident and says nothing.Walkman said:Lance Armstrong said:No, it's Cav's shoulder hitting Sagan's elbow. If you look at front wheels and their shadows, both bikes are now side by side and there's no space for Mark. Sagan's elbow in a natural position.Vroome.exe said:cineteq said:This is all I needed it to see
Remember who was the guy who destroyed Haussler career?
Yep that's Sagan riding into Cav who's trying to stay upright after being pushed. And I don't remember Sagan destroying Haussler's career.
WATCH.
THE.
PICTURE.
sigh..
http://i.imgur.com/9QTHNdI.jpg
Anyway, Sagan was officially penalized.
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Appears Cav tried to ride through the barriers. School boy move Cav. Unfair that Sagan has been penalized
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Appears Cav tried to ride through the barriers. School boy move Cav. Unfair that Sagan has been penalized
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These two pictures represent what really happened the best.
In the first picture, you can clearly see Cav bumping into Sagan.
Sagans natural reaction to keep his balance is to stick out the elbow.
In the second picture you can see Cav already going down and HITTING Sagans elbow with his shoulder from behind!
I think that you have to be strongly biased against Sagan to not see this.
And keep in mind that this has happened in a second! In 60 kph.
Lance Armstrong said:No, it's Cav's shoulder hitting Sagan's elbow. If you look at front wheels and their shadows, both bikes are now side by side and there's no space for Mark. Sagan's elbow in a natural position.Vroome.exe said:cineteq said:This is all I needed it to see
Remember who was the guy who destroyed Haussler career?
Yep that's Sagan riding into Cav who's trying to stay upright after being pushed. And I don't remember Sagan destroying Haussler's career.
These two pictures represent what really happened the best.
In the first picture, you can clearly see Cav bumping into Sagan.
Sagans natural reaction to keep his balance is to stick out the elbow.
In the second picture you can see Cav already going down and HITTING Sagans elbow with his shoulder from behind!
I think that you have to be strongly biased against Sagan to not see this.
And keep in mind that this has happened in a second! In 60 kph.
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They probably just wanted to penalize Sagan in a way that actually hurts him.
Do the French actually care about the boring Zabel jersey? I think that stage wins are a bigger deal.deValtos said:
They probably just wanted to penalize Sagan in a way that actually hurts him.
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