Tour de France 2017 stage 4: Mondorf-les-Bains-Vittel 207 km

[MartinGT]

Cav just confirmed it was the same shoulder as the one he did in Harrogate. Said it feels like its the fake ligament that has snapped! Not optimistic

Cut finger that needs stitching for sure.

Not happy with the elbow from Sagan and wants that explaining!

 

[Ruby United]

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I think from this picture it is clear, that the elbow wasnt the cause of the crash, it is his reaction to keep the ballance and Cav is already going down.

I think whats more despicable is like everybody is already sure that it was intentional.

It's quite clear from the replays, which I have watched numerous times, that Sagan purposefully stuck out his elbow to prevent a rider passing.
Whether he knew it was Cav or intended to take the rider down is disputable. I think that the answer to that is no.
But he did try to prevent Cav passing him.

 

[TromleTromle]

Absolutr against it.. ...but stop the clock at 5 km mark.
Lets the kamikazies do their stuff

 

[Supimilian]

He should definitely lose the stage placing, but not thrown out of the race. That's too much.

 

[Kafviar]

"Cav was on Demare's wheel"... what?

 

[shalgo]

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Having watched the replay about 5 times I can honestly say the most dangerous move was made by Demare. Didn't even see it the first 3 times because I was watching the Sagan/Cav crash.

Demare definitely deviated from his line much more than Sagan did, but I think it was less dangerous, both because he was moving away from the barriers, not towards them, and because he was moving faster than Bouhanni when he veered to the left, whereas Sagan was moving more slowly than Cav at the time they collided.

 

[rhubroma]

Sagan already following Demare veering in the same diretion, thus Cav was crazy to try to slip between Sagan and the barrier.

 

[Metal earth]

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This reminds me of last years World Championships, where Sagan went for a dangerous gap, and said thank god the other rider didn't close the gap. He was basically accepting it would've been his fault if they crashed. Except that gap was small but actually there. There was no gap here for Cavendish.

The elbow came out after Cav bumped into him.

This is not true, I've watched the overhead replay several times now. Cavendish and Sagan were right next to eachother, Sagan then deviated from his line and started swinging left leaving no room for Cav. Sagan closed the gap, there was no doubt about it. Whether the elbow attributed to the fall is not entirely clear, but this was not Cav's fault whatsoever, he did not bump into Sagan at all. Watch it again!

 

[Supimilian]

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It's quite clear from the replays, which I have watched numerous times, that Sagan purposefully stuck out his elbow to prevent a rider passing.
Whether he knew it was Cav or intended to take the rider down is disputable. I think that the answer to that is no.
But he did try to prevent Cav passing him.

Looks like he flinches a bit when he comes up along side him. It's still not OK, but it's not intentional either.

 

[deValtos]

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Having watched the replay about 5 times I can honestly say the most dangerous move was made by Demare. Didn't even see it the first 3 times because I was watching the Sagan/Cav crash.

Demare definitely deviated from his line much more than Sagan did, but I think it was less dangerous, both because he was moving away from the barriers, not towards them, and because he was moving faster than Bouhanni when he veered to the left, whereas Sagan was moving more slowly than Cav at the time they collided.

You could argue though his (Demares) movement was completely unnecessary because there was no one in front of him so swerving from his line is meh. Especially slamming into Bouhannis wheel.

 

[Aguirre]

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Sagan must be disqualified. It's so clear, so ugly,

Ok, it's instinctive but it's a fault, out of sportif rules.

he must be sent to Slovenia

 

[MartinGT]

Cav has his arm in a sling. Fingers crossed its a precaution

 

[Carols]

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Poor Nathan Brown looks so clueless and uncomfortable on the podium...

He's earning me points in the fantasy game, I love the dude .

 

[70kmph]

Never ride near Cavendish during a sprint...these situations have happened over and over

 

[benzwire]

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Watched it back several times, Cav went to follow Demare on the right (from the heli shot). Sagan then tries to go for the same gap but Cav ends up in a sandwich between the barrier and Sagans elbow.

Deliberate? No. Dangerous? Absolutely.

This :exclaim:

Cav was behind Sagan at the point of initial contact (Cav touched Sagan rear right). The elbow did not cause the crash, Cav and Sagan were already balancing/touching at that point.

 

[Lance Armstrong]

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I think from this picture it is clear, that the elbow wasnt the cause of the crash, it is his reaction to keep the ballance and Cav is already going down.

I think whats more despicable is like everybody is already sure that it was intentional.

It's quite clear from the replays, which I have watched numerous times, that Sagan purposefully stuck out his elbow to prevent a rider passing.
Whether he knew it was Cav or intended to take the rider down is disputable. I think that the answer to that is no.
But he did try to prevent Cav passing him.

Cav hit Sagan first. Watch it from more angles.

Look here, it's Cav hitting Sagan's right side. Sagan flicked the elbow only after that:

 

[Walkman]

I have a nice picture I want to post but how do I do it? Forum complaints about the size, 256kB, are you kidding me? And what does "Sorry, the board attachment quota has been reached." means?

 

[Supimilian]

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Sagan already following Demare veering in the same diretion, thus Cav was crazy to try to slip between Sagan and the barrier.

Sagan went towards the barriers when Cav was already on his way inside (watch helicopter video).
Cav did nothing wrong here, that is 100% sure.

 

[rhubroma]

Re: Re:

I think from this picture it is clear, that the elbow wasnt the cause of the crash, it is his reaction to keep the ballance and Cav is already going down.

I think whats more despicable is like everybody is already sure that it was intentional.

It's quite clear from the replays, which I have watched numerous times, that Sagan purposefully stuck out his elbow to prevent a rider passing.
Whether he knew it was Cav or intended to take the rider down is disputable. I think that the answer to that is no.
But he did try to prevent Cav passing him.

Nonesense. His was a reflex stimulated by Cav bumping into him. Watch it again. Demare goes toward the transenes, Sagan veers with him trying to get in his slipstream. The inertia and momentum were already in place, then Cav absurdly tries to thread the needle.

Of course much regret about Cav going down, but unfortunately he brought that upon himself.

 

[Carols]

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Sagan relegated...

Justice is done!

 

[Ruby United]

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Sagan already following Demare veering in the same diretion, thus Cav was crazy to try to slip between Sagan and the barrier.

You being serious?

 

[KGB]

Re: Re:

I think from this picture it is clear, that the elbow wasnt the cause of the crash, it is his reaction to keep the ballance and Cav is already going down.

I think whats more despicable is like everybody is already sure that it was intentional.

It's quite clear from the replays, which I have watched numerous times, that Sagan purposefully stuck out his elbow to prevent a rider passing.
Whether he knew it was Cav or intended to take the rider down is disputable. I think that the answer to that is no.
But he did try to prevent Cav passing him.

Nope.Sagan elbow was reaction(instinct)when Cav hit him in his bike.Very dangerous ride bike Cav..He should be DQ.Cav try to did what Sagan done on world's 2016.Sagan that time was lucky Nizzolo didn't closed that gap.

 

[Screecher]

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Sagan must be disqualified. It's so clear, so ugly,

Ok, it's instinctive but it's a fault, out of sportif rules.

he must be sent to Slovenia

Slovakia, not Slovenia.

 

[Walkman]

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I think from this picture it is clear, that the elbow wasnt the cause of the crash, it is his reaction to keep the ballance and Cav is already going down.

I think whats more despicable is like everybody is already sure that it was intentional.

It's quite clear from the replays, which I have watched numerous times, that Sagan purposefully stuck out his elbow to prevent a rider passing.
Whether he knew it was Cav or intended to take the rider down is disputable. I think that the answer to that is no.
But he did try to prevent Cav passing him.

Cav hit Sagan first. Watch it from more angles.

Look here, it's Cav hitting Sagan's right side. Sagan flicked the elbow only after that:

Bad picture, I have a better one but I can't *** post it. Looks to me as if Sagan cut infront of Cav and thus causing the crash.

 

[Nacho]

The replay from behind Sagan/Cavendisk -- it looks to me that before they went behind the trees and we couldn't see, that Sagan was starting out with his elbow.