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Pantani_lives said:That looks reasonable, although I think Van Garderen deserves at least one star after his performance in the Dauphiné. I wonder if Nibali really isn't thinking about the GC at all. Fuglsang still has a lot to prove in the high mountains, but it's hard to say who else would deserve three stars based on what we've seen this year.Valv.Piti said:These are my stars:
***** Bernal
**** Thomas
*** Fuglsang
** Pinot, Porte, Quintana, Landa, Buchmann
* Poels, Bardet, Yates, Kruiswijk, Mas, Dennis, Uran
Valv.Piti said:These are my stars:
***** Bernal
**** Thomas
*** Fuglsang
** Pinot, Porte, Quintana, Landa, Buchmann
* Poels, Bardet, Yates, Kruiswijk, Mas, Dennis, Uran
But the question is if Bernal is The Chosen One? Is he?Lequack said:When has an Ineos/Sky rider ever faded in the GT?
klintE said:But the question is if Bernal is The Chosen One? Is he?Lequack said:When has an Ineos/Sky rider ever faded in the GT?
DanielSong39 said:klintE said:But the question is if Bernal is The Chosen One? Is he?Lequack said:When has an Ineos/Sky rider ever faded in the GT?
If Bernal is stronger and Thomas is clearly fading they won't sabotage Bernal. They didn't sabotage Thomas in a similar spot last year.
Sky learned from their mistakes from 2012, they got lucky that Wiggins didn't crack and gift the Tour to Nibali that year. Sabotaging Froome actually accomplished nothing (except a few bruised egos, their spouses included).
Cookster15 said:Fuglsang ranked too high. His best finish in a Grand Tour was 7th in the 2013 TdF. He was 28 then. He's 34 now. One star.
Blanco said:DanielSong39 said:klintE said:But the question is if Bernal is The Chosen One? Is he?Lequack said:When has an Ineos/Sky rider ever faded in the GT?
If Bernal is stronger and Thomas is clearly fading they won't sabotage Bernal. They didn't sabotage Thomas in a similar spot last year.
Sky learned from their mistakes from 2012, they got lucky that Wiggins didn't crack and gift the Tour to Nibali that year. Sabotaging Froome actually accomplished nothing (except a few bruised egos, their spouses included).
Who sabotaged Froome? Wiggins was never in danger, except when his own teammate attacked him, just because he thought he can!
With all due respect to Fuglsang, i'd also tend to look at the past 10 years of GT classifications history as a reference for a 34 year old rider, rather than him being in great shape in the classics and Dauphiné this year. He raced 12 GT's, finished 11 of those and only once cracked the top 10 (with a 7th place). I have nothing against the guy, but if he really has the innate talent to be a real contender, wouldn't it have remotely happened once in 10 years?tobydawq said:Cookster15 said:Fuglsang ranked too high. His best finish in a Grand Tour was 7th in the 2013 TdF. He was 28 then. He's 34 now. One star.
Lol.
I forget him being a more dominant rider back in the spring of 2013 than this year, but he must have been because he had the right theoretical age back then.
Red Rick said:Porte 2014Lequack said:When has an Ineos/Sky rider ever faded in the GT?
Logic-is-your-friend said:With all due respect to Fuglsang, i'd also tend to look at the past 10 years of GT classifications history as a reference for a 34 year old rider, rather than him being in great shape in the classics and Dauphiné this year. He raced 12 GT's, finished 11 of those and only once cracked the top 10 (with a 7th place). I have nothing against the guy, but if he really has the innate talent to be a real contender, wouldn't it have remotely happened once in 10 years?tobydawq said:Cookster15 said:Fuglsang ranked too high. His best finish in a Grand Tour was 7th in the 2013 TdF. He was 28 then. He's 34 now. One star.
Lol.
I forget him being a more dominant rider back in the spring of 2013 than this year, but he must have been because he had the right theoretical age back then.
Personally, i'm not seeing it with Fuglsang either. Not because of his age, but because there is nothing in his past that suggests that he'll now suddenly be able to rock a GT. Winning LBL doesn't change that for me. But ofcourse, Dumoulin out, Froome out, Roglic out, that's already 3 places higher up the ladder. But i really can't see him being in the mix for top spot or even podium.
Yeah, I tend to agree but there wasn't anything to suggest he could do what he's done this spring either. And it's not just the LBL win - he's been really good in every race he's done. That said, how long can he hold this form?Logic-is-your-friend said:With all due respect to Fuglsang, i'd also tend to look at the past 10 years of GT classifications history as a reference for a 34 year old rider, rather than him being in great shape in the classics and Dauphiné this year. He raced 12 GT's, finished 11 of those and only once cracked the top 10 (with a 7th place). I have nothing against the guy, but if he really has the innate talent to be a real contender, wouldn't it have remotely happened once in 10 years?tobydawq said:Cookster15 said:Fuglsang ranked too high. His best finish in a Grand Tour was 7th in the 2013 TdF. He was 28 then. He's 34 now. One star.
Lol.
I forget him being a more dominant rider back in the spring of 2013 than this year, but he must have been because he had the right theoretical age back then.
Personally, i'm not seeing it with Fuglsang either. Not because of his age, but because there is nothing in his past that suggests that he'll now suddenly be able to rock a GT. Winning LBL doesn't change that for me. But ofcourse, Dumoulin out, Froome out, Roglic out, that's already 3 places higher up the ladder. But i really can't see him being in the mix for top spot or even podium.
DanielSong39 said:Blanco said:DanielSong39 said:klintE said:But the question is if Bernal is The Chosen One? Is he?Lequack said:When has an Ineos/Sky rider ever faded in the GT?
If Bernal is stronger and Thomas is clearly fading they won't sabotage Bernal. They didn't sabotage Thomas in a similar spot last year.
Sky learned from their mistakes from 2012, they got lucky that Wiggins didn't crack and gift the Tour to Nibali that year. Sabotaging Froome actually accomplished nothing (except a few bruised egos, their spouses included).
Who sabotaged Froome? Wiggins was never in danger, except when his own teammate attacked him, just because he thought he can!
Froome attacked to weaken Nibali who was threatening Wiggins.
Logic-is-your-friend said:With all due respect to Fuglsang, i'd also tend to look at the past 10 years of GT classifications history as a reference for a 34 year old rider, rather than him being in great shape in the classics and Dauphiné this year. He raced 12 GT's, finished 11 of those and only once cracked the top 10 (with a 7th place). I have nothing against the guy, but if he really has the innate talent to be a real contender, wouldn't it have remotely happened once in 10 years?tobydawq said:Cookster15 said:Fuglsang ranked too high. His best finish in a Grand Tour was 7th in the 2013 TdF. He was 28 then. He's 34 now. One star.
Lol.
I forget him being a more dominant rider back in the spring of 2013 than this year, but he must have been because he had the right theoretical age back then.
Personally, i'm not seeing it with Fuglsang either. Not because of his age, but because there is nothing in his past that suggests that he'll now suddenly be able to rock a GT. Winning LBL doesn't change that for me. But ofcourse, Dumoulin out, Froome out, Roglic out, that's already 3 places higher up the ladder. But i really can't see him being in the mix for top spot or even podium.