Tour de France 2020 | Stage 15 (Lyon - Grand Colombier, 174.5 km)

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the points jersey battle will have a big impact on how far up the road a break gets
100km between the sprint and the bonus seconds. The mountain points break (Rolland, Herrada, Hirschi?) will form on the climb after the sprint.

Rogla and Pogacar will both overtake Cosnefroy on Tuesday's stage. At last.
 
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Definitely Not Gifted; we actually saw Roglic Pain Face!

I don't think that was gifted. There were a few points where I thought Wout or Tom might have pushed Roglic a little too hard. Mano a mano I don't think Roglic is better than Pogacar this year, or at least in this Tour.
 
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8 seconds is not worth the effort of pushing for it. Especially since it'll really just be 3 seconds as Roglic will take 2nd place.

Pogacar is in a nice position right now. He can sit on Rogla's wheel, pick off bonus sprints as they become available, and plan to hit the TT full gas. If it works, he'll win the Tour. If it doesn't, no big pressure on him.

Roglic, on the other hand, has to work out a way to put time into Pogacar to have any relative certainty going into the TT. And all evidence so far is that SkyBotting him to death isn't quite going to get them there.

Well I fail to see why Pog is the one with the nice position... Roglic still has a 40 second advantage and he is the better time trialist of the two. Yes, Pog beat him in the nationals but that was a 100% MTT while this will be a flat / rolling ITT for 30 km with a 6 km long hill at the end. I can't see Pog beat Roglic there.
Bonus seconds are great but so far Pogacar didn't gain much more of them compared to Roglic. I think it's Primoz who has a nice position and it's Tadej who must attack if he would like to win.
 
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Something is wrong with Egan. That was just not normal. There were too many riders in front of him. Instead of thinking about him and the Vuelta they need to evaluate what was wrong with him today and in this Tour. Simply put, that is not him.

We are hoping to have at least a battle between Roglic and Pogacar. Please stop kissing and hugging and start the fight. Today was just another sprint like many predicted. Not good. I was expecting a lot more from this stage. At least we can have Quintana going in the breakaway like he always does. Gather some strength after the rest day.
Nairo will be in a breakaway and will gain minutes, the thing is if he recovers in only one rest day from all his injuries.
 
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As predicted, the Jumbots killed this one. Hoping Ineos give Kwiatkowski a bit of latitude to get in breaks try and win a stage now.

Not ruling Pogačar out yet. Although a Slovenian stitch up isn't impossble.
 
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Agreed, it was utterly ridiculous. Gross negligence. He's lucky it wasn't a race vehicle tearing up the inside instead of Higuita.
I understand the outcry and feel sorry for Higuita, but I have to disagree. It was an unfortunate accident. Many accidents are due to negligence, a lapse in concentration, exhaustion...punishing Jungels...why? Then where do we draw the line? Tossing lead-outs who cut their effort, go to the side, and get run into?
 
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Well I fail to see why Pog is the one with the nive position... Roglic still has a 40 second advantage and he is the better time trialist of the two. Yes, Pog beat him in the nationals but that was a 100% MTT while this will be a flat / rolling ITT for 30 km with a 6 km long hill at the end. I can't see Pog beat Roglic there.
Bonus seconds are great but so far Pogacar didn't gain much more of them compared to Roglic. I think it's Primoz who has a nice position and it's Tadej who must attack if he would like to win.

In bare terms of "You must win the race," you would absolutely choose to be in Roglic's position of having a 40s lead and the strongest team in the race.

But for Pogacar and UAE going into this race, this Tour is already a success with 3 stage wins, a day in yellow, and 2nd place on GC. So if Pogacar doesn't win the race overall, it's not a tragedy, and they can recruit a stronger climbing support team for him for next year. But Jumbo are the big-budget, all-in-for-the-win team, so to lose the Tour from their current position would be a failure. And that's the pressure Roglic is under.

Pogacar is in the best position he can be in. If he was leading the race, his team would be forced to work, and they're not equipped for that. If he had to cover attacks over the next 4 stages, that would ultimately cost him more time in the TT than he can possibly make up by attacking JV. Roglic is probably the 30-40 second favourite going into the TT, but there's always a chance of Pogacar ripping it up. And there's the risk of a mechanical or a crash for Roglic.
 
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What an awful stage. It seemed everyone was content with the pace of Jumbo. Did the right thing by watching F1 Tuscan GP at Mugello.
 
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That was terrible. With a half hour to go, I had to admit Jumbo are too strong and there's not going to be a proper attack. A sprint finish. And it was worse than the 2018 sprint finishes. Superpowers have killed cycling.
 
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I understand the outcry and feel sorry for Higuita, but I have to disagree. It was an unfortunate accident. Many accidents are due to negligence, a lapse in concentration, exhaustion...punishing Jungels...why? Then where do we draw the line? Tossing lead-outs who cut their effort, go to the side, and get run into?
I think there is a bit of a difference with leadouts. Lead-out men cutting their effort is expected by everyone involved in the sprint. What Jungels did was completely unpredictable. It was reckless and directly injured another rider. Perhaps throwing him out is too harsh, but he should get some kind of yellow card. And if he does it again, then DSQ.
 
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It's the only time I've seen a situation like this where noone has a clue what will happen in the TT.
Well, there's 3 mountain stages before the TT, so the TT might be irrelevant by then. But for now, if the current time gaps hold until then (they won't) then yes, it's pretty much impossible to call.

Has there been a surprise in the TdF final TT since Lemond in 89?
 
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I think there is a bit of a difference with leadouts. Lead-out men cutting their effort is expected by everyone involved in the sprint. What Jungels did was completely unpredictable. It was reckless and directly injured another rider. Perhaps throwing him out is too harsh, but he should get some kind of yellow card. And if he does it again, then DSQ.
In XC skiing, skiers are given yellow cards for violations, and these are displayed next to their names in the results sheet so the jury instantly know who is on a warning and who isn't. These can be for endangering people, for recklessness, but more often than not it's technique violations (using too much skate step in a classic technique race, for example). However, this would perhaps be a good idea in order that riders know when they're on thin ice, and also so that you can punish people outside of the current "relegation or DQ" kind of level. It could also apply to missing the time cut if they reprieve the autobus - they all get a yellow card, so they're thrown out of the race if they then commit a violation like a dangerous sprint or a swerve like Jungels today.

For a lot of riders, the penalties imposed are meaningless ("oh, you're giving me a 2 minute penalty and taking away 20 points in the points classification? I had 0 points after 15 stages and I'm 2 hours down on the GC, take what you want") and the example of the Renshaw DQ in 2010 comes up again - Renshaw headbutted another rider, then put a different rider into the barriers with a reckless swerve within about 150m of one another. If he's put to the back of the group, why should he care? He led his guy out and his guy won - so if he'd only done one of those things and been allowed to stay in the race, there is no punishment. And also if we'd known Sagan was already under observation for an incident at an intermediate sprint earlier in the day, the DQ in Vittel would be a bit less controversial a decision, because people would have seen he was on a yellow card when his name came up in the results and therefore while they may still have disagreed whether the decisions merited a yellow, they'd understand the reasoning behind ejecting him instead of just relegating him as was the original punishment.

Having yellow cards that stay with you so can see you thrown out the race (or given a suspension if you rack up too many of them like in football or motorsport), if nothing else, might help at least make things a bit more transparent.
 
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Absolutely dreadful stage but at least the overall is still up in the air to some degree and if the colombian's stick it out we might see them try some ridiculous gamble that livens things up.