Tour de France Tour de France 2023, stage 11: Clermont-Ferrand - Moulins, 179.8k

[RobertCrawley]

Rasmussen is referring to the scientifically documented connection between becoming a father and getting lower testosterone levels. And to the fact that in other team sports it's not normal to have the players being close to their families throughout a World Cup or other major tournaments - it's limited to one or two days.

Rasmussen makes a good point that the bottom line is performance. But will Jonas perform better when his family is with him, or will he perform better away? Jumbo has made its calculations.

 

[Danskebjerge]

Yes but in most sports the players aren't away for months on training camps away from their families. If they were away even during the races it would be a hard existence indeed. Maybe in the times of Rasmussen teams didn't spend months training at high altitude like they do now.

But do his teammates meet their wives and children time and time again during the Tour? Not that I know of.

 

[Boehmand]

Yes but in most sports the players aren't away for months on training camps away from their families. If they were away even during the races it would be a hard existence indeed. Maybe in the times of Rasmussen teams didn't spend months training at high altitude like they do now.

Well, he actually lost the Tour on being away from home too much

 

[glassmoon]

greedy

 

[RobertCrawley]

JtD wins the intermediate sprint and looks like he's in good form today for finish.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Yes but in most sports the players aren't away for months on training camps away from their families. If they were away even during the races it would be a hard existence indeed. Maybe in the times of Rasmussen teams didn't spend months training at high altitude like they do now.

He may have been training high at altitude.

 

[Salvarani]

He may have been training high at altitude.

Blazing up the slopes to the clouds.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Stupid argument and discussion. Doesn't matter whether mrs vineggard and daughter spends 3 weeks on Denmark or rides the Jumbo team bus to every stage with Jonas. He is doing 6.6w/kg on Marie blanque regardless. Doesn't mater.

Doing 30 hour cardio training weeks does more damage to your testosterone than seeing your daughter for 5 minutes

 

[Danskebjerge]

Rasmussen makes a good point that the bottom line is performance. But will Jonas perform better when his family is with him, or will he perform better away?

True. I think that Rasmussen's point is both based on the physiological stuff AND on the psychology of the leading rider getting privileges that the teammates don't get. He does - briefly - address the psychological benefits for Vingegaards, too.

(This is sort of a parallel to the debate about the "soft" Danish national coach Kasper Hjulmand.)

 

[ManicJack]

Jesus H. Now you're all psychologists. Have a nice day.

 

[Izzyeviel]

Jesus H. Now you're all psychologists. Have a nice day.

we're internet users. we're experts at everything! Even grammer!

 

[Danskebjerge]

Jesus H. Now you're all psychologists. Have a nice day.

What are you talking about?

 

[titan31]

we're internet users. we're experts at everything! Even grammer!

Spelt grammar

 

[Peyroteo94]

Sagan is right in one thing, it is disguting to see riders peeing on the bike. Just get off the bike and pee, no one will attack you! This a moral rule since cycling was created. If I was a rider seeing someone pee against the wind and the wind turn the pee on me, I would be very angry.

 

[RobertCrawley]

Sagan is right in one thing, it is disguting to see riders peeing on the bike. Just get off the bike and pee, no one will attack you! This a moral rule since cycling was created. If I was a rider seeing someone pee against the wind and the wind turn the pee on me, I would be very angry.

I'm glad he's right about something.

But I prefer the topics psychology, châteaux, and sunflowers.

 

[glassmoon]

lol... they gave up and peloton even more so

 

[Sciatic]

Rasmussen is referring to the scientifically documented connection between becoming a father and getting lower testosterone levels. And to the fact that in other team sports it's not normal to have the players being close to their families throughout a World Cup or other major tournaments - it's limited to one or two days.

You’ll need to post links—of double-blind studies peer-reviewed in professional medical journals—to verify “scientifically documented.” Sounds like baloney to me. Testosterone levels are a range—lower and still within normal might not affect performance. It’s not like hematocrit or hemoglobin levels where they is a more direct relationship with higher level = greater oxygen delivery capacity. Of course bumping testosterone levels to well above normal levels above normal levels does effect performance—but that’s for the other forum.

Moreover, it sounds like a blatant defense of traditional conventional wisdom that is heavily male-centric.

Do I like the scenes of Vingegaard on the phone or in the embrace of family right after after a race? Not really—because I love seeing teammates celebrating together after an achievement. But ot depends how often it happens, and hey, people are just different in what their needs are,

 

[QueenStagiaire]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1679115346345689090

View: https://twitter.com/BikeBlz/status/1679115346345689090?s=20

Grischa Niermann is shitting his pants trying to decode this.

 

[Danskebjerge]

You’ll need to post links—of double-blind studies peer-reviewed in professional medical journals—to verify “scientifically documented.” Sounds like baloney to me. Testosterone levels are a range—lower and still within normal might not affect performance. It’s not like hematocrit or hemoglobin levels where they is a more direct relationship with higher level = greater oxygen delivery capacity. Of course bumping testosterone levels to well above normal levels above normal levels does effect performance—but that’s for the other forum.

Moreover, it sounds like a blatant defense of traditional conventional wisdom that is heavily male-centric.

Do I like the scenes of Vingegaard on the phone or in the embrace of family right after after a race? Not really—because I love seeing teammates celebrating together after an achievement. But ot depends how often it happens, and hey, people are just different in what their needs are,

"- There is solid evidence that testosterone levels drop when men become fathers. As much as 25 per cent.

- And the longer men spend with their children, the lower the level seems to be, says Hans Søndergaard, who has a Master's degree in human physiology and has researched this very topic."

I don't want to spend time searching for the written studies - but the guy is a well-known sports scientist.

 

[tobydawq]

"- There is solid evidence that testosterone levels drop when men become fathers. As much as 25 per cent.

- And the longer men spend with their children, the lower the level seems to be, says Hans Søndergaard, who has a Master's degree in human physiology and has researched this very topic."

I don't want to spend time searching for the written studies - but the guy is a well-known sports scientist.

I don't think this has much effect on Vingegaard, otherwise he wouldn't be performing so well. There are always personal differences when it comes to physiology.

 

[Netserk]

Stupid argument and discussion. Doesn't matter whether mrs vineggard and daughter spends 3 weeks on Denmark or rides the Jumbo team bus to every stage with Jonas. He is doing 6.6w/kg on Marie blanque regardless. Doesn't mater.

Doing 30 hour cardio training weeks does more damage to your testosterone than seeing your daughter for 5 minutes

You are allowed to think on the margin.

 

[RobertCrawley]

I don't think this has much effect on Vingegaard, otherwise he wouldn't be performing so well. There are always personal differences when it comes to physiology.

Maybe the bigger issue as Danskebjerge says is team morale with one rider having his family while the others don't. But Jumbo appears to make allowances for individuals (Wout's helmet). In the Netflix series, there was certainly tension, but Jumbo appears to manage their guys pretty well.

 

[laarsland]

"- There is solid evidence that testosterone levels drop when men become fathers. As much as 25 per cent."

Yeah, all that diaper changing and household chores

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Well, it's a stage. A recovery stage I suppose.

 

[Danskebjerge]

I don't think this has much effect on Vingegaard, otherwise he wouldn't be performing so well. There are always personal differences when it comes to physiology.

Yes! And psychology.