Tour de France Tour de France 2023, stage 16: Passy - Combloux, 22.4k (ITT)

[Gratemans]

I'm just glad that most of the pro cyclists can take their losses in a lot more stride than some people here.

 

[GroupDK]

If you're a Vingo fan, this is a day to celebrate.
If you're a cycling fan, this is a day to either laugh or cry for the sport.

What about the third option, people that laugh their a'zz off from sizes like you and that glorious primitive butt-hurt some people can rally because things didn't go as they wanted,

That's fascinating to watch (at least for a while) when it comes to something as relative & indifferent as "sport/entertainment" mindbending the butthurt some people can muster, and almost like their whole world just shatters, and there is no tomorrow - if things don't go as they want - and in lack of better will jump to stigmatizing name-calling or see "ghosts" left and right, trying to tarnish this bad bad "thing" [reality] that didn't flip the way they wanted.

Vingegaard was the one that took the most risks today, amongst the GC riders, - I like a yellow jersey going berserk, and not playing it safe, - Jonas was the best today, hands down, - and been it for a long time on grand tours, - current TdF2022 champ and runnerup in 2021 and favorite for TdF2023, not least after a Dauphine where he was in a league of his own

So this aint some unknown dude that pops up overnight with a weirdly good level' like some clueless people love to indicate.. he is the highest-ranked Stage-Rider rider on UCI's stats and got the most point, and has been nr1 for quite some time.
Pogacar is the highest-ranked rider on UCI One-day race stats.

Its mostly Pogacar's unreal explosion just before the finish that often got the better of Vingegaard, though the only person that topped Vingegaard today, seems to be Ciccone that was faster on the climb and landed 5 points,
Jonas got 3 points as the second fastest on the climb and Yates got 2 points & Pogacar 1 point as the fourth fastest, if Ciccone can keep it up tomorrow, Polka his way..

 

[tobydawq]

I'm just glad that most of the pro cyclists can take their losses in a lot more stride than some people here.

Yes, it sometimes get a bit awkward with riders like Pinot and Dumoulin who can't do that.

 

[jmdirt]

WTF!

 

[JosefK]

Just speculating here ... maybe today's ITT outcome was brewing for a while. Pogacar lost a lot of quality training and proper buildup to this TDF because of the LBL injury. He punched back in grand fashion on stage 6, but each of his showdown encounters with Vingegaard after that stage yielded less and less time gains, till he began to look possibly more tired than Jonas on stages 14 and 15 (when compared to the vintage Pog we've all come to know). Jonas has been trending up, while Pog has been losing steam.

 

[memyselfandI]

Vingo is the most sophisticated tt'er that has seen the daylight after Cancellara, tbo. I bet Tom P would enjoy riding a paired workout with him on a fast technical road, up to a point..

 

[Rackham]

Just speculating here ... maybe today's ITT outcome was brewing for a while. Pogacar lost a lot of quality training and proper buildup to this TDF because of the LBL injury. He punched back in grand fashion on stage 6, but each of his showdown encounters with Vingegaard after that stage yielded less and less time gains, till he began to look possibly more tired than Jonas on stages 14 and 15 (when compared to the vintage Pog we've all come to know). Jonas has been trending up, while Pog has been losing steam.

But Pog smashed the ITT in his own little world, i.e. he demolished Wout van Aert like it was 2020 LPDBF all over again.

This was a huge improvement for Pogačar compared to last year's week 3 ITT in the Tour. There's not much else he could have done, save for hopping over the first climb like a kangaroo.

 

[dercuforever]

He can focus on whatever he wants. Vingo is just unbeatable. This result would destroy prime Froome

Anyone not called Pantani or Ulrich 1997.

 

[Red Rick]

Anyone know where I can find and sort the split times of each intermediate? PCS doesn't have them.

 

[JosefK]

I was surprised by Vingegaard's agility on the technical parts of this TT. It scared me to death the way he was taking corners, but clearly it was the fastest way to go. He looked to be gaining time on descents very much, as well as everywhere else.

 

[ManicJack]

The evidence we see with our own eyes, when referenced against our knowledge of this sport and its history, informs us that something is badly wrong here.

Wrong part of the forum. Take it there.

 

[JosefK]

Anyone know where I can find and sort the split times of each intermediate? PCS doesn't have them.

Red Rick, there is a "Table Mode" feature with results on splits at this link, if that helps: https://racecenter.letour.fr/en/16

 

[dercuforever]

Pog and Vinge have been neck and neck for over 2 weeks ....Vinge is the better TTer but not by this much hence I think Pog is tired

And I am not your mate mate

I don't think they were neck and neck. Pog is stronger on a 3-4 min effort. Vingegaard is steonger on anything longer. Problem is he can not drop Pogacar from the wheel, and when he is behind him they are going so fast the draft actually makes for their strength difference after 5min full effort.
Imho.

 

[Peyroteo94]

This TT is after a rest day. Fatigue is not that important. They all rested yesterday (of course they are not fresh, they have 2 weeks of hard racing) so this performance is not just the capacity of Vingegaard to recover better. This is not a stage 20 like the other two TT where he beat Pogacar (but were longer TT with way lesser margins) so this is not about recovery, this is about 30 seconds of cornering and bike changing but more than a minute of pure power against a good Pogacar. Don't tell me Vingegaard handles better fatigue (it may well be true) when yesterday was a rest day.

 

[topcat]

Alright kids.

Clinic is this way

Don't make me delete a million posts tonight

Delete all posts in this thread except mine and yours. Congrats on the win Rick. I’d say more, but for the first time in my life, I’m speechless

 

[SorelyBoy]

Wrong part of the forum. Take it there.

On that basis half of the thread needs to be moved. Someone a few comments up is referencing Pantani and Ulrich. And anyway, who made you the forum police?

 

[RedheadDane]

On that basis half of the thread needs to be moved. Someone a few comments up is referencing Pantani and Ulrich. And anyway, who made you the forum police?

Posters reminding other posters to not talk about doping outside the Clinic is quite normal.

 

[RobertCrawley]

One thing I've seen is that Pog has looked human this tour, not his usual ethereal self. On stages 15 and 16 in the mountains, he looked tired. On stage 16, his usual powerful kick did not drop Jonas. So think he just might be little out of gas. If he was in top form (Peak Pogi, if you will), he maybe would have turned in a similar performance to Jonas. But it's all speculation.

 

[dobrien]

I was surprised by Vingegaard's agility on the technical parts of this TT. It scared me to death the way he was taking corners, but clearly it was the fastest way to go. He looked to be gaining time on descents very much, as well as everywhere else.

What I found interesting was in spite of how he was laying it all on the line I didn't get the feeling of someone on the edge; he is an awesome bike handler and shockingly solid on his TT bike today. I pronounce him the Anti-Chicken!!

 

[RobertCrawley]

What I found interesting was in spite of how he was laying it all on the line I didn't get the feeling of someone on the edge; he is an awesome bike handler and shockingly solid on his TT bike today. I pronounce him the Anti-Chicken!!

When Jonas took those seconds on the first two corners, it was clear he was going to work.

Or as Mark Jackson says when an NBA player takes control: "Mama, there goes that man."

 

[jmdirt]

Pushing a rider should obvioulsy be banned in all situations. It`s absolutely pointless.

Well actually the point is to get up to speed more quickly, so not pointless.

 

[jmdirt]

Bike changes in TT were A LOT more uncommon back in the day.

Back in the day, there were no time trial bikes.

 

[Pantani_lives]

If Vingegaard wins 5 straight Tours I will be following a different sport by before he wins his 3rd.

Did you consider curling?

 

[QueenStagiaire]

I shouldn‘t have called him Vingdurain.

 

[dercuforever]

Haven’t this tour been interesting until now?

Solution: POG focus more on the Tour instead of showing off in the spring and then bring Evenepoel😎 There could be three almost equal competitors.

You are dreaming if you think Pog can beat this with another preparation ...