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Kind of helped a team mate won after all, just a wrong one.
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As a brand name, Wout van Aert is bigger than Vingegaard. You can say the Tour GC is the most important, but if WvA is not happy and would leave, you end up as a Dutch sponsor doing business in the Netherlands and Belgium with a Slovenian and danish wheelsucker. Comparing WVA with Kooij is laughable.
But that’s exactly the problem of team Jumbo Visma: they want to keep Wva on board because he represents the brand best, but he is too big of a rider to just play the role of superdomestique. The last couple of years he did both, but mainly because it was his own merit. When that doesn’t work and the difference between winning and not winning a stage could be the GC guy helping out, the team has a problem. It all makes sense Vingegaard shouldn’t pull, but it makes as much (or even more) sense for Wva to either be much more subdued in being a helper (see Roubaix, tourmalet stages last year) or go to another team where he is the first in the pecking order.
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If WvA attacked by himself, he would have pulled Pog to the finish line for a UAE victory.
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If I am Jonas, I paste this to the mirror in the team bus. He wants an angry Wout. The angrier the better.
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Those Belgian journalists are completely out of it. Frankly it's becoming embarrassing. And those are meant to be professionals
Ergernis bij José De Cauwer: "Na alles wat Wout van Aert voor Jumbo-Visma betekend heeft..." | sporza
Niet alleen Wout van Aert heeft gevloekt na de tweede etappe in de Tour de France, ook in onze commentaarcabine kwam de stoom uit de oren. José De Cauwer stelde vast hoe Jumbo-Visma een sprint met de Belgische aas uit de handen liet glippen en stelt zich veel vragen bij de (beperkte) rol van...sporza.be
You guys should put this page in a translator. It's the best thing you'll read all month, trust me.
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You mean he was in the front of the group of a descent when Bilbao used some technical skills to get a small gap, after which Benoot and Kelderman did the effort on the flat closing the gap. Picking a line in a descent is not the same as pulling. Trying to control a group of 20-30 with only limited personel is a sensible thing but it has a big risk of failing as it is difficult. Van Aert should use his other-than-sprinting abilities more in these kind of situations.
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On a more positive note: these stages in Basque country were beautiful. And you gotta love those Basques. Completely bonkers for cycling. Bless em.
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What ?? . He may not throw his weight around like a Lance Armstrong or Fabian Cancellara ....He is quietly confident and knows exactly what to do
He cant beat Pog in the hill top sprints so he sits there . He would probably be the worst man to pull for WVA in a sprint type finish and anyway he is the leader and shoudnt have to ...Seems pretty good leadership to me. he is quiet and shy but that doesnt mean he is not a leader. He knows his strengths and is playing to them
He wins this year and maybe WVA wont be included in next year 's Tour team
Why when he is trying to win the Tour should he put up with all this aggravation esp from Belgian press and fans and his own team mate
Any team would bite your hand off to have him..esp INEOS
Who do you think is more valuable to Jumbo and their new sponsors Vingegaard or Wout van Aert ?? No brainer
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Who do you think is more valuable to Jumbo, the sponsor that pays until the end of 2024… Vingegaard or Wva?
That’s the biggest non-brainer.
Vingegaard is definitely worth more for attracting a new sponsor in 2025, but only if he wins the tour this year and / or next year. We all know who was key in Vingegaard winning the Tour last year. Things aren’t as straightforward as if Wva is easy to replace in a tour team: e.g. if Wva was on Pogacar’s team last year, how many minutes would Vingegaard have lost in the Roubaix stage?
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Ok but if nothing else - Jumbo is leaving prematurely. Why would the team risk their own exposure to grant them (Jumbo) a better publicity at this stage of their cooperation?
And even if that wasn’t the case - if winning TDF doesn’t maximise your marketing potential, then there’s something wrong with your business model…
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well theres an element in the "had a slow year in terms wins" part of well whose bleeping fault is that. and then on the marketing thing for Jumbo, why on earth do you think someone who has already said his focus isnt on this race, doesnt really seem to have any goals for it, and intends to abandon it even, if certain circumstances arise, is even on this team for this race in the first place.
Lefevere would have left him at home, because I think stuff like this is going to cause more of a distraction to the whole team.
its all a distration from the fact that Pog and Ving are abolustely dominating the peleton on every speed bump. (Yes ving just follows, but he is the only one who can of those who are attending).
We knew this tour would be decided between both of them, but this is even more onesided then last year (and we are only 2 stages in ffs). The only plus side for the others is that Ving one of those riders that loves to watch butts and thus the real time differences in GC are lower than they should be. (they could already have 1minute on everyone if Ving wasn't a butt lover).
And talking for sponsors, i'm not sure if Ving, who isn't racing after the tour and is barely racing before the tour is such a big magnet compared to other riders. I think WVA, even though he wins 'less', is a much bigger name all year round than vingegaard. (And in last years tour, WVA was probably a bigger sponsor hike than ving.)
We knew this tour would be decided between both of them, but this is even more onesided then last year (and we are only 2 stages in ffs). The only plus side for the others is that Ving one of those riders that loves to watch butts and thus the real time differences in GC are lower than they should be. (they could already have 1minute on everyone if Ving wasn't a butt lover).
And talking for sponsors, i'm not sure if Ving, who isn't racing after the tour and is barely racing before the tour is such a big magnet compared to other riders. I think WVA, even though he wins 'less', is a much bigger name all year round than vingegaard. (And in last years tour, WVA was probably a bigger sponsor hike than ving.)
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Good question, that’s up to jumbo to answer why they took him. If I was the DS, I would have discussed a different program this year, but again, it’s very hard to not take Wva who is worth 3-4 riders in any other team.
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So another interesting finale at the opening weekend. Pog went for it near the climb top dragging Vinge with him. Vinge not willing to cooperate again (even if there are some reasons for it) looks lame TBH and doesn't fit the Tour champion. In the finale Lafay trolled Wout and co and won the stage. Congrats, the timing was perfect, It was one attack too many for JV and Wout. Pog gaining 7 seconds today over Vinge. The gap is at 11 seconds now and Pog should get 30+ seconds over Vinge from bonuses alone throughout the race. Obviously Vinge can gain more with a nuclear attack. He must actually, which is keyword here.
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All this frantic talk about Wout. UAE rode it hard with Bjerg pulling a lot. Obviously some team members were unhappy. Pogacar certainly not.
Vingo looked for Wout on the climb. But he he couldn't bridge it alone and of course had to follow pogi. Makes total sense.
Great stage. Cofidis first win since 2008 - w000t 🫨🫨🫨
Vingo looked for Wout on the climb. But he he couldn't bridge it alone and of course had to follow pogi. Makes total sense.
Great stage. Cofidis first win since 2008 - w000t 🫨🫨🫨
Barely racing before the Tour? Can I have some of what you're smoking??
| Nr | Race | Class | Date | Category |
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| 23 | Critérium du Dauphiné | 2.UWT | 2023-06-11 | ME |
| 22 | Critérium du Dauphiné | Stage 7 | 2.UWT | 2023-06-10 | ME |
| 21 | Critérium du Dauphiné | Stage 5 | 2.UWT | 2023-06-08 | ME |
| 20 | Itzulia Basque Country | 2.UWT | 2023-04-08 | ME |
| 19 | Itzulia Basque Country | Stage 6 | 2.UWT | 2023-04-08 | ME |
| 18 | Itzulia Basque Country | Stage 4 | 2.UWT | 2023-04-06 | ME |
| 17 | Itzulia Basque Country | Stage 3 | 2.UWT | 2023-04-05 | ME |
| 16 | O Gran Camiño | 2.1 | 2023-02-26 | ME |
| 15 | O Gran Camiño | Stage 4 (ITT) | 2.1 | 2023-02-26 | ME |
| 14 | O Gran Camiño | Stage 3 | 2.1 | 2023-02-25 | ME |
| 13 | O Gran Camiño | Stage 2 | 2.1 | 2023-02-24 | ME |
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Lol, have we watched the same season so far?
Van Aert has properly raced 5 days this spring.
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These are piddling stages and it was always known that Pogi had the sprint to easily win bonuses. All Jonas has to do is let Pogi tire himself out in the sprints and then hit him where it actually matters in the mountains and gain minutes.
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For some reason you skipped Paris Nice
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| After O Gran Camiño | Paris Nice | Stage 7 | 2.UWT | 2023-03-11 | ME |
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No sign of Pogacar's wrist causing him grief today. I think the ice baths are precautionary and maybe mind games.
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