37:27 for Jakobsen, Moerkoev, Tractor Tim and Devenyns, last in of everyone.
We shall see. Cav is usually pretty smart on pacing himself to keep within the time limit with the real big hiccups being when he wanted to stop twice to give respect to Simpson’s statue on Mt Ventoux. The good thing for him is Astana can use Quickstep for help versus being the only riders to help.The Joux Plane and Courchevel stages will be pretty rough time limit-wise, especially with how deep all the non-climbers are having to go already. I can't see everyone surviving the chopping block, and Cavendish will be one of the first on it.
Today's not the stage I'd have been worries on for him. It's 14 and 17. If they're raced at a strong pace from early, guys like Cav, Bauhaus, Jakobsen will be in trouble.@titan31 look at that, Cav finished with Jakobsen yesterday and ahead today despite dropping sooner while looking in better shape at the end. Looks fine so far to finish the race![]()
Your approach is actually more arrogant. Because you expect to be able to counter all of Pogi's moves and you expect a 50 second buffer to be easily enough, when he always outsprints you and is more explosive in general.Niermann is arrogant. There, I said it. But it's true.
People *** & moan about wheelsuckers or conservative tactics or mountain sprinters or trains or whatnot but at the end of the day Vingegaard had a healthy lead over Pog this morning & some psychological dominance as well. So, all Jumbo needed to do from here on was counter Pog's moves which would have become increasingly desperate as the Tour advanced.
But, instead they go for a Granon repeat with 'total cycling' & their leader launching it hard & deep on the Tourmalet to link up with Wout van Aert. I mean on the PlayStation that might look like a cool idea but this is real life.
Amazingly self defeating brainless way to race. Vingegaard literally handed 28 seconds to Pog on a silver platter. He also exposed his own limitations (which is absolutely not smart at all). Now Pog knows he can hurt him.
It’s unfortunate, just appreciate the action on the road without the disgusting chauvinismBit like the Belgians on their star cyclists
Your approach is actually more arrogant. Because you expect to be able to counter all of Pogi's moves and you expect a 50 second buffer to be easily enough, when he always outsprints you and is more explosive in general.
If you have the chance to finish him off you have to take it. And yesterday it sure looked like that chance would be imminent. It wasn't, but it's high risk, high reward (and in this case, just a small loss).
With 2 minutes on the group behind and WVA in the group there was no reason to stop after Toumalet. As for the last climb, if he stops pulling after he sees he can't drop Pogi maybe he looses less time, but maybe Pogi attacks earlier and he looses even more.I mean fair enough, but after it didn't work on the Tourmalet, why bother continuing? If the aim was to drop Pogacar, why did Vingegaard pull him for multiple km. Why did he keep pulling him for like 4 km on the final climb? You can't tell me that was still about killing off Pogacar.
It is but it looks nice. As for other riders, yes better form for that podium spot on Champs Elysees.It's stage 6. There are mountains stages on stage 9, 13, 14,15, 17 and 20. Time trial at stage 16.
A lot can change on the gc. Some riders will have better form later on the race. Still super early.
Speaking of 80s/90s Tours... it feels like the very controlled, boring, predictable racing of the Sky era was the Indurain era, and now we're in the days of the racing being more like it was in the free-for-all days between Jalabert's '95 Vuelta (I will win sprints! I will win mountains! I will give gifts! I have no end to my energy!), and Pantani's being ejected from the '99 Giro when all hell broke loose and you had the likes of Olano and Ullrich doing tempo riding but at tempos that blew everybody to pieces, and the likes of Jiménez and Pantani lighting it up from wherever they damn well pleased only to then be completely blown up the next day, or vice versa.I love this Tour so far. I remember the '80's and early 90's Tours and the first week was often long flat stages, very boring. This one has been incredible so far. So many great stories and battles.
I'm not sure who will win this race, but the quality of the winner is often due to the quality of his rival(s). Pog and Vingo could not be more different personality-wise and it's brilliant to watch them fight on. Now if Cav could win tomorrow, this could be even better!
No, they respect Pogacar more than you do.I've never actually seen a Tour holder with a minute or thereabouts lead over his main rival in GC launch a long distance attack like that. So chapeau for the fun I guess but it was entirely brainless.
They thought they were invincible.
No, they respect Pogacar more than you do.
They eliminated 1 out of 2 competitors. I'd say job well done.I've never actually seen a Tour holder with a minute or thereabouts lead over his main rival in GC launch a long distance attack like that. So chapeau for the fun I guess but it was entirely brainless.
They thought they were invincible.
I think they feared him, and that's why they wanted to see if they could put in the coup-de-grace now, hoping that yesterday would mean he's still not at 100% today. Even with Vingegaard's strength, Pogacar wasn't someone they likely wanted to be within a minute entering the Alpes.Do they? I got the opposite impression. Respecting Pog would have meant letting the break go (so the bonus seconds are out of his reach because his mountain sprint is better) & then sitting on Pog's wheel on Cauterets, or attacking hard late to see if they could drop him.
Jumbo wanted the jackpot & got burned hard because they disrespected their adversary & overestimated their own powers.
They make an entire stage super hard because they believe that's the only way they can drop him. They don't care about any other rider or any other team, they only race against Pogacar. Now if that's not respecting your opponent I don't know what is.Do they? I got the opposite impression. Respecting Pog would have meant letting the break go (so the bonus seconds are out of his reach because his mountain sprint is better) & then sitting on Pog's wheel on Cauterets, or attacking hard late to see if they could drop him.
Jumbo wanted the jackpot & got burned hard because they disrespected their adversary & overestimated their own powers.
Yeah, you just know that if Jumbo sat on their fingers, the same posters would be screaming in this thread, ridiculing them for not doing something. There was reasonable doubt regarding the form of Pogacar. You do not miss that opportunity before it's too late.It's always easy to say in hindsight this was stupid from JV but after yesterday it was more than reasonable to try to finish off Pogacar here. It would have been stupid if they didn't. If your opponent seems vulnerable you have to seize the opportunity.
They eliminated 1 out of 2 competitors. I'd say job well done.
I think they feared him, and that's why they wanted to see if they could put in the coup-de-grace now, hoping that yesterday would mean he's still not at 100% today. Even with Vingegaard's strength, Pogacar wasn't someone they likely wanted to be within a minute entering the Alpes.
They make an entire stage super hard because they believe that's the only way they can drop him. They don't care about any other rider or any other team, they only race against Pogacar. Now if that's not respecting your opponent I don't know what is.
It's always easy to say in hindsight this was stupid from JV but after yesterday it was more than reasonable to try to finish off Pogacar here. It would have been stupid if they didn't. If your opponent seems vulnerable you have to seize the opportunity.